How to make the Focal Kanta No. 2 speakers sing?


Hi!

My first post here and I would like to hear your thoughts and tips for "warming up" my Focal Kanta 2 speakers.

 

TLDR

The sound from my Focal Kanta 2 speakers in my room is a bit shouty, bright and thin sounding, clearly lacking level and emotion in the lower mid range. Bass is good, quick and quite deep though.

Any tips for getting more "vocal warmth" into the system? Tube preamp, Dirac, ...? I see that many use old school power hungry amps that can heat your house during winter to drive Focal speakers. Is that really needed or can I get away with a modern amp that doesn’t cost a fortune.

 

More in depth information

In my living room (5.3 x 4.1 x 2.4m) I have a setup with both 2 channel and a multi channel setup. They share the same front speakers and front speaker amp.

2 channel setup:

 

5.2 channel setup:

 

I focus mainly on the two channel setup here. Multichannel is used quite much also for streaming movies, but is ok.

So the main issue for me is that the sound in in the two channel setup is thin sounding with mids clearly lacking in the lower end. It can be fatiguing to listen for a few hours. Bass though is enjoyable, fast and fairly deep.

Earlier I had the Focal Aria 936 speakers as front speakers in the same room (connected to the Yamaha AVR at that time). I liked them but wanted to upgrade to the next level after a few years 😄 The Arias were more forgiving than the Kantas, had more enjoyable warmth in the mids and were a bit rolled off in the top compared to the Kantas. Not fatiguing at all. But everything else the Kantas do better.

I have also had some other speakers, up to half Kanta price range, in the same room where all have had fuller mids and a more forgiving sound: Dynaudio, Totem and Triangle floor standers as well as Buchardt and my really old B&W 602s3 (super full mids but super rolled off in the top) stand speakers. The Kantas are different animals to all these and seem to require the a more delicate and correct chain of components to perform.

I have messed around with speaker positioning quite a lot. It’s mainly the bass region that is affected. Mids not very much.

Options I’m considering:

  • Upgrading the Yamaha AVR to a Marantz Cinema 50 for example to get Dirac room tuning, and run the 2 channel system through this also. The quality of the Marantz might not be the best here to use as a 2 channel pre amp/processor.
  • Use a dedicated pre amp for the 2 channel system. Budget up to 2000€. Not sure what to look for? Used equipment is fine.
  • Tubes? Never really listened to tubes but from what I understand you generally get a more warm sound from them. Tube preamp? Not very modern but might do the trick. Schiit Freya + seems to be within the budget range for example.
  • Other 2 channel amplifier. As mentioned I have tried to avoid the nuclear power plants of amps. I see people recommending amps from manufacturers like Musical Fidelity, Sim Audio, McIntosh, Accuphase etc. But these are really costly and I feel they generally belong in an older age that we are moving away from. But it might be what is needed, I don’t know, haven’t really heard them play.
  • Treat the room more. I have a big sofa, a really big carpet and a few acoustic panels in the room (no real science behind them now). The room in itself is a bit "bright" so here I can make a better effort of course, regardless of other taken measures.
  • Get other speakers. I can also just face it that the Kantas are what they are, sounding thin in the midrange and lacking emotion in voices. Getting other speakers might be the easiest upgrade. But it’s not that easy to find and test speakers in your room either...

 

Long story. Any recommendations?

Thanks!

donald_dac

Showing 4 responses by tunefuldude

AND .., they’re your next door neighbors! because Peter Lyngdorf I believe is Danish. 

@donald_dac I'll leave it to you, to read reviews etc. to learn the pros and cons of going that direction.

 

It would be interesting to hear what your family says about the experience of only using the front 3 speakers until you figure out how you're going to amplify a couple of the other speakers you already have.

What will create such a different listening experience for you using anything Lyngdorf is their Room Perfect software. Again, I encourage you to read about how completely easy it is to setup and use in the real world. And how good.

One review I read said they didn't call it Room Good or Room Great because it performs so well it should be called Room Perfect. 

Can't wait to hear what you decide to do!

@donald_dac Do you know anything about the way Lyngdorf utilizes, (what they call), their "voicing" 's?

It would be very complicated for me to explain to you the way it works, because the way they approach what most people refer to as "tone control" is literally a completely different ballgame. Period.

 

It's such a completely different approach that (I guess?) unless you've used it, my experience is, you can't appreciate how it works.

 

But it is exactly what you're asking for.

 

I have been the very proud owner of a TDAI 2170 for about two months, so I'm speaking from experience.

You should check out their approach. I want to personally recommend that you look at a (used) MP-40. The processor will so deftly allow you to reduce the higher frequencies which will have the "effect" of taming those fatiguing highs.

It's cool stuff. Very expensive, but very cool. Lol.

I've been using my 2170 with a pair of very high performing bookshelf speakers, running them full range w/ no sub at all. Hence I've been using their "Bass 2 voicing" as opposed to Bass 1 or Neutral. You have to see the curve, to appreciate it. Go online I'm sure you'll be immersed in a much better explanation of how their "voicings" work.

Not sure if you've ever heard he saying that you don't know what you don't know? But that's what's going on here. I'm personally excited for you to discover a solution so you can appreciate those sexy Kanta's.      : ) 

@donald_dac Have you had a chance to read anything online about the Lyngdorf Voicings yet? I’m excited for you to, because it’s the solution you’re looking for, in my opinion, with your original inquiry in this thread. 
 

There will be lots of opposition to my suggestion around here, again, in my opinion because even some of our long term members that obviously understand how to achieve good acoustics just plainly have not gained experience with what I affectionately refer to as the Lyngdorf house sound, which is kind of like the Nordost house sound not in my opinion but based on my experience. 
 

Both of them are known, by those who’ve used their products anyway, for having the most neutral sound of all meaning that neither of them will “color” your sound. 
 

Another generalization is that they both are known, again by folks who’ve used their products, to allow you to achieve one of the quietest noise floors. Period. 
 

And that! is something I bet the old timers around here know about, because it’s a principle that we’re all out to achieve … if we are doing more than just collecting cool toys and plugging them all in together. 
 

what I’m referring to is called synergy, right? 
 

The only thing that’s imperative when you take this approach to building your system is that you have chosen your equipment well because another thing that’s I guess you could say is a principle too: and I can tell you this is true because I’ve been there and done that I guess is the way they say it … you will be able to hear clearly exactly what the designer of the piece of equipment is capable of in the way of both revealing and presenting your favorite music to you when you’re getting your jollies listening to your system. 
 

Fyi … one of the reviews I read before I bought my TDAI 2170 suggested that the Lyngdorf presented what he called the blackest background ever … and he suggested that Lyngdorf might want to check in to the idea of patenting the feature as what he called Blackground.

Their approach is just so different that, especially sone of the purists around here just are not familiar with how it’s so radically different. That is not the be taken as a slam at all. I referenced in my earlier post, the phenomenon of not knowing what you don’t know.  
 

By the way, how old are your speakers, have they had sufficient time to be fully broken in yet? Because that Trevor response may smooth out a little bit over time. Probably not sufficiently for your taste, though, so rather than chucking the speakers per @soix and whoever else disagrees and considers my suggestion to be polishing a turd … with this approach, you can both! tame your room response which will improve the hell out of your acoustics (all the way around) and also allow you to enjoy your speakers. 
 

I saw an MP-40 either here or on one of the other platforms for around $3500 which is not a real steep price to pay for having awesome acoustics.