How to increase volume of my turntable - pre-amp - amp setup


Hi. Good Day to you all! My first post and first visit.

I have a cheap Scott turntable equipped with a low priced Audio-Technica mm cartridge through a cheap Berhringer pre-amp into a Logitech Z-680 speaker system. I also have a CD player separately into the system.

The volume output from the speakers is markedly lower from records than from CDs. I suppose that CD medium might be a little louder (the loudness war thing?) than vinyl but this seems to be an output problem not a difference in mediums.

I would like to increase  LP volume. How can I do this? Can I get a higher output cartridge for my turntable? How about a pre-amp with higher output? The Logitech speaker system seems plenty powerful.

I've researched but can't seem to find an answer that I understand. 

Thanks!

rajastrums

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czarivey & noromance thanks for the quick response!

I can change the cartridge and/or the pre-amp?
How do I evaluate output specifications? Does it matter? Assuming similar quality and, of course, higher output can I match any MM cartridge with any phono pre-amp?
Thanks for your help folks.

I think I understand that if I get a a phono preamp unit that is compatible with the type of magnetic cartridge in the turntable then all preamps will increase the signal to the same line level. Or at least any slight line level differences would be difficult for the casual listener to notice. So a different preamp might improve signal quality but not increase its level.

So it seems that what I need is something like this; https://www.amazon.com/TC-780LC-Stereo-Booster-BLACK-VERSION/dp/B000RZXAHI This component will boost the signal from the preamp on its way to the  Logitech speaker system. Other people use it for this purpose.

To me it would make sense for some company to combine the function of this box and a phono preamp into one unit. Maybe someone manufactures a component like this but i haven't found it yet.

Am I thinking about this in the right way or am I off the mark?
Good Day Folks! Thanks for helping me out.

reubent, The Behringer preamp in my system is a phono preamp.

https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-MICROPHONO-PP400-Ultra-Compact-Preamp/dp/B0028QCYS0/ref=sr_1_8?s=el...

It performs well enough for my casual needs and increases the signal enough that when listening to a LP at full volume you need to talk louder when in conversation. But a CD  is much louder at full volume than a LP . You have to shout.

I want more volume from my LPs.

czarivey you wrote:
pick up phonostage with higher gain.
I wholeheartedly agree! How do I know which phono preamps have higher gain? How do you evaluate specifications? When I check out preamps I see these kind of specs:
Input Sensitivity: 3mV at 50K Ohms              
Output: 2V max (P-P) at 10K Ohms -
Input Sensitivity/Impedance/PHONO 3 mV / 50K Ohms

I have no idea how to use this information. Help!

noromance, you suggested a different preamp. I have looked at many of these but, as I wrote above, don't know how to evaluate. I assume a pricier preamp is higher quality but does higher quality mean more gain?

Search here for a choice at various price points.
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_5?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=phono+....



If I can't get a more powerful preamp this component  https://www.amazon.com/TC-780LC-Stereo-Booster-BLACK-VERSION/dp/B000RZXAHI  seems to be an alternative. But, as lowrider57 said I'd rather not introduce another component into the chain.

Am I on the right track? 











lowrider57,
"I totally agree that the Pro-Ject is the way to go. When I reread the thread I realized that the Logitech was the only source for power."

Yes it is my only power source.it has plenty for my needs.
Sorry to neglect this topic fora few days. I'm co-ordinating a renovation of my house. that kept me busy for a while.

mesch,

This is the cartridge i have.
https://www.amazon.com/Technica-AT3600-Standard-Magnetic-Cartridge/dp/B000A3945Y/ref=sr_1_2?s=electr... 4.2mV output


noromance,

This preamp will boost the signal more than the Behringer I’m using now? I see that gain is 40dB for a mm cartridge versus 35 dB for my Behringer PP400.

Here are the specs;

Technical specifications

Pro-Ject Record Box E

Input capacitance/input impedance MC: 100ohms/120pF (low output MC)
MM: 47kohms/120pF (MM or high output MC)
Gain, MM / MC 40dB / 60dB
Output voltage typically 300mV/1kHz at 3mV/1kHz (MM) or 0,3mV/1kHz (MC)
Max. output 9,5V (1kHz)
Noise floor MM / MC 94dB (A weighted) / 75dB (A weighted)
THD MM / MC <0,01% / <0,05%
RIAA-equalisation curve accuracy 20Hz - 20kHz / max. 0,5dB
A/D converter Burr Brown PCM2904 16-Bit Delta Sigma
Sampling rates 32, 44,1 and 48kHz
USB output 5 pin mini b connector (USB cable supplied)
USB signal digital serial data protocol USB 1.1
Input / Line output 1 pair RCA/Cinch sockets each
Outboard power supply 18V/500mA DC, suitable for your country’s mains supply
Power consumption 100mA DC
Dimensions W x H x D (D with sockets) 120 x 32 x 100 (115) mm
Weight 250g without power supply


https://www.amazon.com/Pro-Ject-Phono-Box-Preamplifier-Black/dp/B01CZW87HS/ref=sr_1_12?s=electronics...
I see it at amazon and other places.

Thanks to everyone for your help. I have learned something here!