How's this for a dose of reality???


"Dealers in high-fidelity components, like all dealers, are highly variable in their fidelity to customers' interests. Many are not only well versed in the good and bad features of the equipment they sell, but are honestly concerned to see that customers get the best products for their needs. Others, on the other hand, have a tendency to steer customers to components whose manufacturers have the biggest dealer discounts or offer special sales incentives, whether or not these components represent good value to a customer.
Unless you are certain that you have a dealer of the first kind, you should look with a suspicion on insistent attempts to steer you towards one brand or to switch you away from the brand you ask for. You should look for an unhurried, impartial demonstration of the components in which you are interested and in competing brands if you ask to hear them. And when listening comparitively, insist that the loudness be adjusted to equal levels for the comparison tests.

If the dealer will cooperate in permitting you to listen in your home to the units you have tentatively chosen ( some dealers will do so ), you can then be sure that they will be satisfactory before actually making a final choice."

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Few paragraphs editied out making specific recommendations as to what recordings to use for auditioning gear and what to listen for. This continues on:

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"Magazines which specialize in music and audio subjects publish reports of tests on various high-fidelity components. Despite their best efforts to be honest and impartial in such reports, however, it is extremely awkward for magazines to be openly critical of their advertisers' products. The result is that the reports are often helpful, but to a limited degree; the temptation to rate all components as "best yet" ( or at least to gloss over serious imperfections ) is very powerful.

The reports of general testing organizations whose publications do not carry advertising usually can be relied on to be free of bias. But even these reports vary in reliability according to the skill of the engineers who obtain and interpret test data on which the reports are based. Such variation exists in reports of the same organization.

Audio shows which are held in large cities offer an opportunity to see and hear new products, and to make a preliminary screening of possible choices. Often the rooms or booths at these shows are crowded and do not even come close in acoustic character to a home listening room. Further, the manufacturers of some quite good high-fidelity products conduct deplorable demonstrations, so that their products sound no better at audio shows than do inferior products. Consequently it is unwise to make a final decision for or against any component simply on the basis of what you hear at an audio show."

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Anybody wanna guess who wrote this, when it was written and what it came from? I think it will be interesting to see some of the responses : ) Sean
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PS... If you are CERTAIN that you know the answer, PLEASE DO NOT POST IT. Email it to me and i'll tell you if you're right or wrong. I'd like to see how many different responses / guesses we can get and the different comments that arise from each guess. Those that email me with the correct answer will be "acknowledged" after we've had some fun with this thread. Regardless of who, when and where it was written, it's pretty good, huh ??? : )
sean
Nighthawk: Hopefully your date will go better than what Pr has suggested for Ljgj and Ozfly : )

Pr: That image makes me cringe... OUCH !!! : )

Ozfly & Ljgj: You can still retract your answers, it's not too late : )

Ozfly: It's called "The Allison Effect". I've got to leave for work, but maybe someone else can explain to you what it involves. Sean
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Themadmilkman,

Second prize is watching Phyllis Diller gum a cookie in a thong.

Congratulations,
Congratulations Nighthawk!! You've been dancing near this from the get-go.

Sean, what is the audio term? An Allison Wrench??? ;-)
I KNEW that I had read that before, and now I know why. I've read both of the books that you mention. That's right, my local university library has copies of both, and I enjoy reading very old pieces of audio literature. I especially like flipping through old magazines ads-- so little has changed.

Anyway, I've actually read that quote in the book that it was originally printed in. Do I get a cookie? :)
It looks like Nighthawk gets the "hot date" as he was the first to post the name of the author. Unfortunately, the only "Hollywood Star" that we could round up was Phyllis Diller. Yes, Phyllis is still alive too : ) As far as "all expenses paid", all we can afford would be a few "sliders" from White Castle and he and Phyllis will have to split a Coke. My suggestion to them is to get easy ice as they'll get more to drink that way... : )

To be fair, honourable mentions go to Ljgj and Ozfly, but believe me, you DO NOT want to know who your dates are with : )

Honestly though, these comments were originally published in literature that Acoustic Research distributed in 1962. Roy Allison was the Chief Engineer of AR at the time and later became the Plant Manager. Excerpts from this book were also published in HiFi/Stereo Review. All of the original content published in 1962 was included with further revisions and additions in the 1965 publication entitled "High Fidelity Systems: A Users Guide" by Roy F. Allison. The revision and update became necessary as systems were switching over from mono to stereo, making the older information somewhat out of date.

Given that "stereo" gave loudspeaker manufacturers the ability to sell a customer TWO speakers rather than just the one needed for mono, you can understand why someone in the position of Allison and AR would want to help consumers better understand how this "newfangled" technology worked. Quite honestly though, this book is remarkably non-biased given Allison's business affiliations. There is even pictures of non-AR gear in this book.

As a side note, Allison's book was distributed along side of Edgar Villchur's 1962 publication entitled "Reproduction of Sound". For those that want to learn the basics of how & why in audio, i HIGHLY recommend this book. While it is quite old and some of the information dated, this book may be the best "introductory" into audio that was ever written. While Good Sound by Laura Dearborn and Robert Harley's book are worth checking out, Villchur goes FAR more into depth on specific technical subjects. He does so in a manner that is not "TOO technical" and manages to keep the entire book down to 92 pages.

Hope this was worth the wait, although i have the feeling most are let down. No "real" movie star's and no real dates. Let's give Nighthawk a round of applause anyhow : ) Sean
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P.S. During my somewhat anal need to research the question, I ran into this very nice history of hi fi -- there are two parts:

http://www.nutshellhifi.com/library/tinyhistory1.html
I'll give you folks a bit more of a hint here. This person was editor of the following magazines: Radio Communications, TV and Radio Engineering, Communication Engineering, Audiocraft and High Fidelity. He's also worked as a design engineer for at least two different respected audio manufacturers. This person is so well known in certain audio circles that there is at least one audio term named after him. Much of his research and design innovations have found their way into many, many different products over the years. Needless to say, this was a very wise and influential individual. Then again, you should have already known that judging by the comments he made that i posted above : ) Sean
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PS... I have to leave for work, so i won't be updating / checking responses during the day. As such, we'll have to wait until i get back home tonight to see who, if anyone, is going out on a date and / or getting whipped by Uma : ) Sean
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It sounds like it could be a speech. Before the IEEE meeting? I'd guess that whoever wrote it was peripheral to the topic -- probably not an audio reviewer or dealer. I'm thinking it's a manufacturer who wasn't getting a fair shake -- thought maybe the president of Heathkit but 1962 was a transition year for them so that's out. Any of this close Sean?
Okay, finally some progress here. Nighthawk was close enough on his second guess that i've got to give you a clue. The origins of this text can be found in 1962, but it was updated and expanded in 1965. The person that is responsible for these statements has not been mentioned as of yet though, nor has the manner in which it was made available to the public.

At least you know what time-frame you're looking at now. After all, how many "famous" audiophiles and / or designers and / or manufacturers and / or reviewers were around back then??? : ) Sean
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PS... Please review the list of names and printed sources already posted before submitting your guess. Each wrong answer that you repeat will get you thirty lashes while chained up in a stockade from Uma Thurman. Expect no mercy as she'll think your name is "Bill" : )
While it sounds like it was said long ago, Art Dudley basically rattled a fair amount of this stuff off point for point when we met him this year. Especially when it comes to the audio magazines handling the product reviews with kid gloves.
Wait, I know, it was Robert Harley from: The Complete Guide to High-End Audio! Don't know the year, but I believe it was sometime A.D.
Harry Pearson, TAS, circa 1969? -- Either he or Martin DeWulf of Bound for Sound perhaps a few years later...???

On the other hand, maybe it was J. Gordon Holt of Stereophile in 1971, and that's my final guess!
None of the above and nobody has even remotely come close on the private emails either. As i mentioned, I will confirm the validity if someone gets "part" of the answer correct, so the more guesses out there, the more potential clues that you have to figure things out. After all, somebody has to be able to guess at least what year it was published. From there, that might give you a better idea of what "famous" audio personalities were around and on the rise. Don't expect a full answer until late Monday night though unless someone gets it all correct. We've got to give the "i only use my computer when i'm at work" crowd a chance. Maybe those people can actually follow the suggestions that i made too in terms of ONLY emailing if your certain of where the quote came from AND what info should be included in one's posted "guess". Each one of you that sent me a "guess" without knowing for certain that it was the correct answer owe's me a date with Drew ( or a suitable substitute ) : ) Sean
Ok,Sean,fair enough.

I have no idea who said it. If no one gets it right and you have a lottery for the prize and I win,I want a slutty brunette with a three digit IQ,sort of a cross between Catherine Zeta Jones, Angelina Jolie, Winonna Ryder, Salma Hayak,and Lucy Liu.

I agree with what the author said but offer this update. I suspect the distance has shortened between low fi and hi fi over the last quarter century and equipment is now reliable enough that it's less of a gamble to buy things unheard(If you have a return privilage.).

If you order a built to order Dell Computer,you know from the specs what you are going to get.

In the same vien,I think that Odyssey,Van Alstine,and Madisound are on to something. You can get good equipment without having to pay for the retail step and commissioned salespersons. The things I want to hear in my room is the speakers and I got lucky with the Maggie 1.6s.
Well, I have to guess that it was published in "Consumer Reports" As to the author, I dunno.
You guys are killing me with emails of random guesses. Email me ONLY if your CERTAIN that you have the answer, otherwise, throw your hat into the public arena with a guess. Each guess should contain the following:

1) The person that you think said / wrote / was quoted for these statements

2) What year it was first made available to the public in

3) The format in what the information became available in i.e. a press release / advertisement from a manufacturer, an interview with the individual in a magazine, a published article written by the author in a magazine, a book that the writer had published, etc...

If someone gets a partial answer, i'll point out what part of the answer they got right. In other words, if Joe Piscopo submitted "John Lennon, 2005, quoted interview in magazine" and the year was right, i'll specifically say that Joe Piscopo got the year right. From there, you guys have to put the pieces of the puzzle together. I will say that the person that wrote this is a well known audio figure of the past, but maybe not as well known as Julian Hirsch : )

One hint since you guys seem lost. I'll start off by saying that the written text qualifies as being "vintage" or "antique". That is, it is over 25+ years old. Other than that, do you guys agree / disagree with what was said in the text? Sean
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Just for yucks !!, how's this for a shot in the dark second stab? Dave Workman (CEO SOUND TRACK ) Lets say ohhhh within the last 4 years in which case I would be clueless as to source. I can hear the snickers from here!!!
Get me a date with Nicole Kidman, and I promise I'll find the answer on her somewhere.