How much do I need to spend to make vinyl sound better than digital?


All,

I have a solid vinyl setup that I like to think of as entry-level “plus:” Project Debut Pro with Sumiko Moonstone cartridge.  I enjoy vinyl for the ritual but find that my digital gear - a $400 ifi streamer and the AKM DAC built into my Anthem preamp - beats the analog rig in most ways.  Far better imaging/soundstage and much tighter bass without the occasional distortion/sibilance/warbling of the vinyl rig.  I haven’t messed with cartridge setup other than to check the factory-performed alignment, which looks perfect.  The table is perfectly balanced, counterweight set correctly with an electronic scale, etc - so I have no reason to think there’s a setup problem.  
 

Is this par for the course for this level of vinyl gear?  What do I need to spend to get my vinyl gear to match the performance of decent digital?  I’m thinking of upgrading to a Clearaudio Concept, perhaps with a Hana SL cartridge, but I want to make sure doing that is going to deliver a fundamentally different experience than what I have right now with the Project/Sumiko combination.

 

No interest in flame wars or rehashing the vinyl/digital debate.  I know vinyl can sound wonderful and am simply trying to decide whether I can afford the price of entry for a system that can gets the basics right (no audible distortion/sibilance, decent imaging).  I thought the Project/Sumiko would have gotten me there, but for whatever reason it hasn’t fit the bill.Thanks for any insights. 

lousyreeds1

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@lousyreeds1 

There is a great deal of good information and opinion in the above comments (thanks jpan, ghdprentice, mulveing, et.al.).

One key point - the gear is sounds no better than the source!  Always consider the quality of the recording that you are hearing BEFORE AND AFTER focusing on the gear...

After decades in this hobby, I strongly disagree with the statement that "You could spend $100K on the most esoteric turntable, cartridge, tonearm, base, cables, and phono stage, and its potential sound quality will never equal that of spending $10K on a network player/streamer and DAC. It just is what it is." 

To me, that is simply uninformed hyperbole: My experiences lead to the exact opposite conclusion.

For perspective - I attended a recent HiFi show, listening to dozens of modern digital systems (usually music-servers) from prominent manufactures.  I heard systems from most of the great manufacturers, plus many could-be-great-someday brands.   

ALL of the digital music was flat, homogenized and unengaging (always playing simple jazz - the 'slow pitch' of musical reproduction). 

I asked a couple vendors to play something more demanding, e.g. symphonic music.  NOT ONE of the digital systems (10k to 50k) sound sounded good, and certainly not as good as a 12K analogue system (~ 4k TT, 2k cart, 4k Phono-Pre). 

The next day I  listening at the doors as I walked down the hall.  I could immediately tell if the music was from a digital source (most were). Sadly, they were all-of-a-kind.  I could hear differences in speakers, but the sound was always quite limited. No point in entering the room...

Is Analogue is always better than digital - No. 

I once listened to a great digital-system in a showroom that was on-par with a good analogue system, but digital front-end cost >60K (total system was >1120k).  Still, it did not better sound better-in every-way than a typical 20k analogue source.  The digital sound had excellent resolution and truly 'black-backgrounds', but it did not match the harmonic richness of good analogue sources.

Sorry if this upsets the apple cart, but I encourage you to listen to more analogue systems, playing well recorded music.  I think that you will be pleasantly surprised.

 

Happy hunting.

P.S. my 2024 hearing test results indicated that I had markedly better-than-average hearing for my 60+ years.

+1 Hana SL - at $1.2k, it is a good value and leaves plenty for the TT and PP ;-)