How do I know if I need a sub woofer?


My system at the moment is not important as this question would be relevant regardless of of what I am listing to at the moment. 

sounds_real_audio

@jsalerno277 “After due diligence, including without limitation”

Not a criticism by me…. Just an observation @ 01.02am 01.03am & 01.04am

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Publishing your post 3 times is really re-enforcing “due diligence”

@sounds_real_audio ”l guess if l get a sub or two my quest for a very good sound system will be over…thank god”

If anyone can’t see jsalerno277’s logical points of view now, God help them.

 

@mylogic So quick to criticize.  ‘Twas not intentional to stress a point or to create stress for you.  ‘‘Twas not accidental for I made no error.  The website gave me pop-up error System Error messages four times.  First, when I started typing and a spell check corrected to LOL.  Then when I hit SEND 3 times more, never getting a SEND confirmation, and not seeing my post after sending.  I received a send confirmation after fourth attempt.  This morning I received the same system error message.   You will not get an apology for a website system error.  If something like this upsets you, it’s time to reevaluate your need for mediation techniques or medication dosing.  

@jsalerno277 ”So quick to criticize”

Not at all intended.

l totally agree 100% with your due diligence findings.

l will however apologise for causing a misunderstanding. I just observed the three postings as the way l used to act and think in my job about the need to constantly revisit the training of due diligence with my staff. It was meant for light parody the importance of due diligence. Protecting employees and the thousands of customers who entered my store each week.
 

Your mention of the glitchy site is right up there with due diligence. Audiogon have done nothing to stop the glitches on here since the pop up adverts appeared last month. Freezing pages, booting off the site, pages jumping and general slowing down timing out problems.

Come on Audiogon, let’s have some due diligence to put this right. Sub WOOF WOOF WOOF!

 

Again apologies to jsalerno from me and l understand his frustrations regarding the three duplicate posts.

@gournard Somebody here said their sub is too slow! No such thing as a slow, boomy or one-note-bass sub. 

Before you criticize, make sure you know what you’re talking about. The “slowness” of a subwoofer does not refer to when the bass notes start (attack), but rather to when they stop. In fast passages, the bass note fails to stop in time before the next one begins — that’s the common understanding of subwoofer pace. Changing the phase, even discretely, does not affect or control when a note stops. I always prefer and use sealed-enclosure subs, but that alone doesn’t help much. I also use bass traps to reduce ringing from standing waves; this helps, but only slightly. Ultimately, control must come from the source.

I also tap the signal directly from the main-speaker terminals to take advantage of the main amp’s high damping factor. Again, this helps, but there’s still much left to be desired. The only thing I still hope to try before concluding this journey is a servo-controlled subwoofer.

So again, make sure you understand why there is no such thing as a truly ‘slow’ subwoofer. Do you really know what a slow sub sounds like? My colleague once complained that a large 12" sub was slow and swapped it for an 8" sub to address the issue. But until then, why would I even need a sub? If you feel you need a sub as a panacea to achieve a good soundstage, then either something is wrong with your main system, or you are not optimizing it properly.

Bass reminds me of my drinking days: "I had three beers and felt good, why did I think that three more would make me feel better"