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How can anyone afford this ?

I consider myself a dedicated audiophile. I am 36(which I am guessing is a little younger than the average here) and single. I have been interested in high-end audio since I saw my uncle's Mcintosh and Threshold equipment for the first time when I was 5.
Since joining the workforce and saving a little I have always been trying to put together a nice system on a budget. I do OK financially(I am a systems engineer) but I do live in NYC which may put some of this into perspective.
Over the last 6 months I have struggled to buy(all used on Agon) a pair of Dynaudio Audience 42s and a Threshold CAS2 amp, Chang CLS3200, and cables(I haven't gone out[I don't have a girfriend], purchased anything else and really haven't eaten too much to be able to afford these and it is still a real stretch). I am using the amp with a direct connection from my CD/DVD player(Cambridge Audo Azur 540D...slightly modified[op amps, PS caps, bypass caps] that I have had for almost 10 years). A fellow has a Threshold FET2 series II(to match with the CAS2) he is holding for me but that seems like a pipe dream at this point along with a turntable.
A few years ago the analogue bug hit me.
I had a setup consisting of an Audio Analogue Settanta integrated and a Nottingham Horizon SE turntable with a Rega RB300 tonearm with the Incognto rewire and structural mod. This was not an expensive kit by any stretch but for me it almost put me in the poor house. I had to sell the entire rig to pay my bills and it hurt.
It seems over the last 10 years or so I have not been able to keep a kit for more than 6 months before I had to sell it. Whenever I don't have a rig I am constantly scanning the online Ads lusting for the next bargain to set up a system and cannot even listen to music on a mass market rig(I have been spoiled).
Anyway, I guess my question is how can anyone normal afford this hobby? What type of money do you have to be making to be able to enjoy this hobby.....$100,000/year? $500,000/year? Do you need to be worth millions? $5,000 barely gets you in the door(some interconnects cost more) and you could possibly spend millions. I am not looking to put together a $10,000 system(not even close...and that is modest in this hobby) but if I wanted to I don't see it ever being financially possible. If I had a girlfriend or a family(hopefully someday) I would not event be able to think about this hobby with a good conscience. I guess I am wondering if all these people in this hobby are millionaires? I am close to selling my rig again to pay the bills(the amp needed repair/recap and that was $450). Any advice for an audiophile who lusts to put together a nice rig but can't afford it? Should I get out and save for 5 or 10 years and then try again? Maybe I am in the wrong hobby but it is more addicting that crack to me(and more expensive). Maybe I should be a crackhead instead...that might be the only thing to make me forget about it. Thoughts?
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frogman
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Mceljo got it exactly right. I would like to add: Welcome to the real world! I costs money to buy the best of anything (material), and to complain about it and decry the fact that others can is silly. Lots of advise already on how to buy used, etc. But, I have to take issue with some of the comments about NYC.

Yes, NYC can be an expensive city to live in, but it doesn't have to be; not to the extent expressed here so far. But I think the tendency to exxagerate the problem is indicative of a bigger issue, which is at the root of a lot of what is going on socially and politically in our country. Some of us tend to guage how we are doing economically by how others are doing, instead of finding satisfaction in our accomplishments, and being more at peace with our own lot in life; while being willing to work our butts off to improve that lot. There is a tremendous amount of wealth in NYC, and the fact that some can afford to spend $125 for a car service to the airport doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with having to, or choosing to, pay $50 for a yellow cab instead. Sure, rents in the city are ridiculous, but what is wrong with a twenty minute subway commute to a nice nighborhood in Brooklyn or Queens, where one can pay half or even a third of what one pays in Manhattan. BTW, last time I checked sandwiches at Starbucks were $6.25-$6.99, not the $10 claimed. There are plenty of places to get a good meal for well under $10 in NYC. If someone has a problem walking past the many expensive restaurants on the the way to Mamum's Falafel, then I think they need to do a little soul searching. I don't mean to get heavy about this, but I get a little tired of the crying about the high cost of audio gear. BTW, there are many places to take in great live performances for little or no money in NYC. With several music conservatories, faculty and student recitals can be wonderful; for no money.
frogman
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Onhwy61, my point precisely. And then you have the bigger issue of many supporting economic policies which are irrational and self-defeating, which seek to "even" the playing field by, instead of encouraging self-reliance and initiative, try to take as much as possible from the wealthy. I am not wealthy by any means, but to the wealthy who gained their wealth through hard work, and creativity, I say: Good for you, buy that AR Reference component, so that when you get the itch to upgrade, I can have a shot at owning something I would not be able to afford otherwise.
frogman
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What we tend to forget is just how well most of us have it in this great country of ours; even with all those horrible, greedy corporations, and wall-street types. Here we are, sitting comfortably at our computers, talking about the high cost of AUDIO GEAR (!?!?), when as we write there are uprisings in another another part of the world, where millons live on $2 a day. Yes, trickle down does work.
frogman
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Hotmailjbc, why you feel the need to be insulting, and personalize what could, instead, be an interesting, and thought provoking discussion about a pertinent current issue is beyond me. But, I certainly think it speaks volumes about your ability to grasp the realities of the subject. No "put down of those with lesser wealth" was done by me whatsoever. But, it is obvious I struck a chord in you with my stated opinions. Opinions which are simply that...albeit supported by some pretty strong data; if you care to learn the facts. Just one example: there are more entrepeneurs than investors on the Forbes list.

Anyway, I think that your response is very indicative of one of the key differences between our respective philosophies about all this. I would prefer to have a constructive dialogue, you prefer to demonize, and be insulting. One other concrete, and very telling difference is in your comment: "unemployment is at 10 percent with millions of people over the age of 50 with no hope of ever working in their field of choice again". See, you would prefer to focus on the fact that some, unfortunately, might have to work in a field other than their chosen field; as if that were a great sacrifice. I would say, where is it written that life is fair, and that it is not very messy sometimes? And that what is necessary sometimes is to work; period. Anyway, this has certainly veered too far away from the subject of this thread. But, if you would like to continue this discussion in a mature manner, and hear the perspective of someone who was born and grew up in a socialist country, and who came to this great country without a penny in his pocket, feel free to email me privately

Regards.
frogman
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I guess I could just rest my case, as you have made it for me very nicely. I would have preferred to continue this privately, but if you insist. And, alas, I can't resist a good banter; I have a little free time today.

Predictably, hipocracy rears it's head. You want the privilege of lecturing others, but when they disagree with you want to silence them ("keep it to yourself").

You claim the high road, and while admitting to be an unabashed socialist, choose to live in this horrible, oppressive, capitalist society.

Anyway, fire away, but no further response will be forthcoming. See, I am glad that there is a viewpoint like yours as part of the mix. Kind of like putting a tube preamp in front of a too-aggressive ss amp. The end result can be just right :-)

To Adam1205, and other fellow Audigoners, I apologize for letting this get so far off-track.
frogman
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"so I'd propose that discussion about audio equipment is nothing more than a tasteful way of discussing money, politics, religion and sex..."

Brilliant!

And the reason that music is seldom part of the discussion.
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