High Powered Holographic Amplifiers


I am looking for high powered amplifiers that are truly Holographic.. 

My speakers are power hungry, 

The Audio Research Ref 610T is easily the most holographic amplifier(s) that have ever been in this system. 

The solid holographic images moving around the room are nothing short of amazing. 

Music just seems to pour out of the speakers.

My "room" is completely untreated and has lots of noise provided by my sub zero fridge and freezer units. 
My equipment is pretty good, though.

Are there any solid state options that are as good?

My speakers are Magnepan 20.1
Preamp is Audio Research Ref 5
Source is a VPI (both Classic 3 and Aries I)
Cart is a Dynavector XV1-s
Phono Pre is a Manley Steelhead RC
Cables are whatever I bought on Ebay, Power cords (in this system) are generally just normal factory.

(I'm not looking for a white paper discussion on what sonic holography is, or to discuss ancient Carver products.)

Curious about the Ayre MX-R, the Pass XS-300 (but I have no experience whatsoever with either).

Are there any other amplifiers besides the Ref 610T that might be _truly_ worthy of the epithet "Holographic"?. 

(If you don't know the difference between soundstaging and holography, this is not the thread for you.)
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Showing 5 responses by arro222

This shouldn’t be this hard. The guy is looking for an ss amp that produces the same effects as his current ARC. All of his reasons are not "mandatory" to be given here but simply important to him. That should be good enough. I feel rh67 has given a "valid response" to the ops question.
So lets start what I feel what holography is and see if it is what the op can coincide with. The word "holography" to me is music seemingly NOT coming from the speakers. The sounds seemed more realistic and "organic" in that instruments were actually in the room and placed here and there. Some say "the speakers disappeared" but its more than that.
If you felt or heard this then give the guy a valid answer and stop with the flame and emotional baggage stuff. As always and in any forum, someone always has to get bunched up for being "insulted" in some way. That’s on you and not the poster in any fashion.
@ twoleftears
Let me have a go with your question. Imaging, in an audio sense, is to be a be able to pick out where a particular instrument or performer is on a given, illusionary sound stage. Usually with the understanding that you are acting as an observer with the "stage" in front of you much like you would experience at an actual venue.
Audio holography is a sense that this music is "surrounding you" and not coming from in front of you as if there are no speakers.
Sounds are still "imaging" but its as if you are in the middle of a band instead of as a spectator.
It’s an uncanny and erie effect and has to do with phase distortion and kind of neat and addicting.
Well, that’s my interpretation anyway form my experience.
Again in my experience, you have a better shot of achieving this with speakers at least 3 ft away from a rear wall and you are also not sitting with a wall at close proximity, directly behind you.
Equipment and placement can certainly all lend to this as well as phase shifted recordings. A lot of Madonna albums come to mind such as in reference to "shifted" recording.
Dire Straits with "Money for Nothing’ has a drum riff that appears to move all around you as well.
There are a bunch more but just giving you a sense of the idea.


@twoleftears
I don't think that was nice TLE.
Your "preferences" should not be part of any platform leaning toward "rebuke" for a simple and matter of fact question by the op in my opinion.

@twoleftears I am new here but not to hifi. I think those posts you mention were also rude.

I saw no reason to attack the op. There are people who have never heard a "holographic" sound. Having been part owner of 3 stereo shops in a 30 year period, I can attest that there were plenty of people coming in who never experienced this effect.
@dprazz. Not to answer for the op but with experience with the ref 600, it ran pretty hot. I'm thinking the 610 isn't much cooler. The other thing is to have a refurb tube replacement, that'll cost over $2200.