High Performance Audio - The End?

@glupson, i can only imagine which genius designed your speaker! (Tee hee)

@douglas_schroeder , I spent 45k on my TADs not too long ago and i’ve heard every kind of speaker in every price range. I know there is a speaker called the Tekton Moab which retails for 4.5k (1/10th the cost of my speakers) that beats the sht out of speakers that are priced around a 100k.

I know the Elac Adante floorstander that i bought on sale for 3k/pair beats the sht out of so many speakers that cost 10 to 20 times more....

You sound like a complete simpleton.

Get the following in your head.

"You can have a cranially challenged creature spend loads and loads of money on R&D for a very long time. He will still come up with a piece of sht.
But, you can give a genius like Andrew Jones or Eric Alexander very little money and he will come up with a genius grade speaker"

Now, repeat after me...."you can.....
repeat those statements 10 times.

Good.

@douglas_schroeder , i have owned the Wilson Watt Puppy, $$$$ Von Schweikerts, Revels, JBLs, TADs and maggies over the years.

My physician shed his $$$$$ Wilsons for the Tekton Moab last year. I have heard it plenty of times at his place and got severely jaw dropped. I just don't have a A/B test for it at my place with my gear. If i had an ounce of space left in my house, i would get that speaker without blinking twice.

Current speakers are the Adante floorstanders, Maggie 20.7 and the TADs. Currently, I have the Adantes paired with GR Research DIY subs and the Luxman C900u+M900u stack.  Yes, 30 k of amplification for a speaker i bought for 3k (absurd indeed). It sounds even better than every kind of gear i had paired with Andrew's 80k retail TAD Reference  (in certain ways) when i had it at my place. 

The Adante eats the Revels and Wilsons i've had for breakfast easy...

Now, repeat after me Doug,
"You can have a cranially challenged creature spend loads and loads of money on R&D for a very long time. He will still come up with a piece of sht.
But, you can give a genius like Andrew Jones or Eric Alexander very little money and he will come up with a genius grade speaker"

Say these statements 20 times...

Good.

@douglas_schroeder , you’re wrong on all counts again Doug.

I am the kinda guy who likes to add and reap the benefits of good subs to a 80k TAD or a Revel or a Wilson or other $$$$speakers out there that claim to be full range. I add subs to a 5k speaker (the Adante), use the same electronics on it that i use on speakers that cost magnitudes more and had a realization that it sounds better than the speaker that costs magnitudes more. You, on the other hand, sound like the kinda guy who would pay 80k for a supposedly "full range" speaker, not add subs and have a inferior listening experience.

I know what a 120k system sounds like in my house. When i stop by my doc’s house and listen to his 4.5k Moab paired with his electronics, i hear everything in his setup that i’m looking for in a system that costs magnitudes more. I don’t have to bring that Moab into my house and A/B it on my gear to certify that it sounds like something that costs magnitudes more.

You sound like the kinda guy who would claim a) there is no difference in competence levels among engineers who design these things and b) there are no diminishing returns in this vulture filled industry. You "get what you pay for" he says!!...Go fool the intellectually challenged goats with fat wallets out there with that crap. I have a feeling that’s your line of work. In fact, you state you have neither heard the Adante or the Moab in a competent setup, but, you’re quick to run your mouth like some all knowing seer eh Doug?

Put 20 engineers in a room. You think all 20 of them have the same aptitude because they went to the same frat, have the same degree and exposure to the industry? No Dougy no, there’s always a genius and a ’non value added’ cretin in that pool, when you’re trying to run a business.

You’re wrong on all counts again Douglas.

@glupson, what do you mean "By now, we know"? Do you mean both Jekyll and Hyde? I, personally, have never heard the Pioneer BS22 LR. But, i have seen them sold on either amazon or walmart.com at 80 bucks for the pair. It could be someone’s bar bill on a Friday afternoon. I suppose you were using that speaker in your comment as an example to imply that stuff made by A. Jones is a let down perhaps? How about this....You should give the fabulous engineer who designed your fabulous speakers 80 bucks to work with. You may be able to bask in the glory of a crapbox he gives you for 80 bucks.

@fleschler , my comment never said the Moabs sound better than the Von Schweikerts. There's a reason i had the Schweikerts and they are designed by some very competent guys. But, you pay for it dearly. If you have a large treated space and did justice to it, they are in a class of their own. I gave them to my son as a housewarming gift and have not heard them for 3 years. In essence, my comment was trying to emphasize that the Moabs are an absolute steal at 4.5k and play ball against a lotta stuff that costs magnitudes more. There's a reason my buddy shed his Wilsons for it.

I am extremely thankful to guys like A.Jones, Eric A and maybe Danny Richie too for coming up with stuff at charity prices that could bring more music lovers into this (especially the newer generation). Either way, It's time for this tiny group of silly old pompous goats running a phallus measurement contest in forums like these to move on in life. 

@glupson, ah yes, the infamous "we"... the disgruntled glupson Jekyl and a glupson Hyde, the pair that keeps coming back...

 Alrighty then! Have a great time with your infinity speakers (galaxies above). My condolences on the stereophile review that fooled ya and made you flush 80 dollars down the drain! Thanks for sharing this great tidbit of information. I wish you both great luck on your future endeavors...

@twoleftears , the Adante is "flawed"? I guess that’s why it won EISA’s product of the year award over speakers that cost magnitudes more. All the guys at EISA must be stupid too. Have you actually heard it with competent gear in a decent room dude? Or are you another one of the prophesizing yappers on this forum who never heard it? ."it may sound like"..."it should sound like...".... yappers and their prophesies!

The Adantes were selling like hot cakes all over Asia (more intelligent customers there, i suppose). The reason it was stalling a bit in the US was because Elac entered the US market at a entry level price (the Debuts for a coupla hundred bucks). Nobody had ever heard of Elac before over here. When the price got higher, dudes were stalling thinking it’s a entry level speaker brand. Make Revel release a speaker for 200 bucks. Examine how many 20k speakers they sell after that.....It has a lot do with posturing.....Either way, the only reason it was discontinued was because Elac Germany didn’t want A. Jones’s concentric driver designs taking over their ’higher end’ offerings (a.k.a steal their thunder). They had many of their pricier offerings with the JET tweeters to sell. They also forced him to do something with a JET tweeter (Carina? whatever). Goofy move.

Another unique coupled cavity design like the Adante will come back from Andrew at some point in the future (If Elac Germany isn't too butthurt about losing their thunder), priced at 30k & above. Watch the audiophools unload their wallet when that happens. Audiophools will only get down on their knees and bow down in respect when they see a high price tag. Observe these audiophools bow down in respect to an absolute piece of crap speaker because they saw a high price tag somewhere. It happens everyday....So, a charity price release often gets no respect no matter how good it is (from clowns who’ve never even heard it in the first place).... Andrew should stop doing charity and set the price at 30k and above. Why stop at 30k... make it 60k or 80k....the audiophool clown car will bow down for longer...it will be a lovely sight.