Hi Fi Tuning Supreme fuse-Burn In?


Hello,
I've gone through the Hi Fi Tuning line of fuses starting with their Silver and then on to the Classic Gold.
I recently purchased the the Supreme.
The Supreme does everything I hoped it would but as with anything in this crazy hobby, there's seems to be a trade-off.
I'm getting more clarity and air but the presentation seems to have an edge or sharpness to it.
If everything was just slightly more-should I say organic?-I'd be one happy man.
I have about 60 hours on them.
Will more time smooth things out?
The Gold's are definitely smoother but they lack the air and clarity the Supreme's provide.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

greh

Showing 5 responses by bdp24

Geez Louise, rodman. Roger not being incompetent is what is called a joke, apparently one too subtle for some. I don’t accept the word of the owner of the damaged Music Reference amp, but I do accept the word of Roger Modjeski, and what he has reported about what he discovered when he inspected the damaged amp, and what he has to say about the Hi-Fi Tuning Fuses he found installed in the amp.

I have provided no evidence, and therefore am not going to "provide FURTHER EVIDENCE". All the info on both that I have read, and have repeated here for the potential benefit of fellow tube power amp owners, has been that provided by @ramlabs. Perhaps Roger will once again provide that info for those truly, sincerely interested. I’m done trying to help fellow tube amp owners. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth ;-) . Good luck, ya’all!

@odman99999, Roger Modjeski has explained numerous times (both on his AudioCircle Music Reference Forum a few years back---which is still available to read, and on a recent thread that has unfortunately been deleted, perhaps by Roger himself. He may have also discussed the subject in his current thread asking for technical questions) why the original Hi-Fi Tuning Fuse (and ONLY that fuse, as that is the only "High End" fuse Roger has looked into) is designed and built in such a way as to not be able to protect an amplifier in the event of a tube failure in a DC circuit. Is has nothing to do with voltage or amperage, but rather the tube’s, as I said, design and construction, which Roger fully explains in his posts on the subject.

I myself need to go back and reread what Roger has said, but he provides info on how a fuse, any fuse, reacts internally when it "blows". That info should help people better understand why fuses are created the way they are, what the differences are between various designs, and why he warns against using the above fuse in specific applications. I really don’t see why Roger’s warning has been met by some with such hostility and defensiveness. That warning is well-founded, as a reading of it will make very clear.

The owner of the Music Reference RM-9 amp that came back to Roger for repairs did nothing wrong; he installed the correctly-rated Hi-Fi Tuning Fuses (9 iirc) in the amp, and when it was damaged sent it back to Roger for repair. Why he has been called incompetent is a mystery, part of the defensiveness and hostility I mentioned above. Roger fully looked into what had happened inside the amp, and has reported on what he discovered. He did some research on the fuse, and reports on what he learned about it. Is that a problem for you? If so, you are free to ignore Roger’s well-founded warning. Roger is also not incompetent ;-) .

@rodman99999, I see no problem with one having your experience with and opinion of the Hi-Fi Tuning Fuses AND reading what Roger has to say about them (not just on AudioCircle, but also in some thread here on Audiogon). But that’s just me ;-) . Unlike some of the other high end fuses, many of the HFTF are cheap enough to give a try without spending a fortune (relative to the cost of the amp itself).
@rodman99999 , Roger Modjeski received one of his Music Reference RM-9 amplifiers back for repair. Every stock fuse in the amp had been replaced by the amp’s owner with a Hi-Fi Tuning Fuse. Roger checked out the amp, discovered what had happened, then did some research into the fuses. He wrote up his findings on his AudioCircle Music Reference Forum (that info is still viewable on the Forum), but basically it was that the HFTF is not properly designed or constructed so as to be able to provide protection to an amp employing fuses on it’s output tubes, and is in fact incapable of doing so. A phone call to the American distributor, and then the design engineer in whatever country the fuses are made (Germany, I believe), revealed to Roger that neither are very well versed in basic fuse technology and engineering in terms of their use in tube hi-fi amplifiers. Well worth searching the AudioCircle MR Forum for Roger’s full report, for those interested.
If you install a Hi-Fi Tuning Fuse in a DC circuit of your tube power amplifier, you may end up "burning in" your entire amp ;-) .