Here's a fire starter: Analog is as good as SACD


If in my setup (see below) a SACD version and a good LP version of an album sound almost the same; ke sense to upgrade my phonostage or invest in speaker cables, etc.

Primare I32
Zu Wylde IC
Emotiva XPS-1
Hana EL/Denon DL-301 II/Shure V15. Hanna is my fav.
Oracle Alexandria/Sumiko MMT with Cards wiring
Oppo BDP 95
Belden XLRs
Canton Ergo 1002DC speakers
DIY speaker cables 10' Bi-wire 12 AWG 99.95 OFC, 50% silver plated/50% unplated multi-strand.
2channel8

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What I am getting at is have I hit a plateau with my analog front end; or my system as a whole.
I agree analog and digital are tow different animals. I should have said equal; not the same. Those of you who have SACD, DVD-A, etc and analog; which do you think excels?

Also that should read DOES IT MAke sense...
I don't know why I lose characters here.
I see. Thanks for the comments! I think my conclusions are
a) My system is not capable of resolving the difference in sound quality between analog to analog and analog to digital. I kind of doubt that.
b) My hearing has deteriorated to the point that I won’t hear anything less than a sea change in my equipment. This is as good as it gets. That may be true. I know my hearing only goes from about 40 Hz to 11 kHz with some dips around 8 kHz.When I compare a good SACD or DVD-A or even HDCD to a good LP switching back and forth, I can’t quite be sure that I hear anything but minor tonal differences. Yet I can hear the difference between ICs (which I believed was pure snake oil 2 years ago) and cartridges. Still, I do prefer LPs for some reason. I just can't isolate it.


@lak
That’s where I;ll probably go next. I’m looking at Zu or Canare 4S11.
There are good deals on both on the Bay. May as well get the 2 to 4 bis.

@jperry
I think I’d have to spend a pile of cash to better the Sumiko/Jelco. Any cost effective suggestions? I like to roll headshells and have cartridges from 4.8 to 6.8 grams and compliance from 9 to 22.
@teo_audio,
Thanks for the encouragement. Your neurophysiologic explanation resonates with some of my experiences. Perhaps the fiscally wise approach would be to stop the education.........Nah! ;^)
@randy-11,
I agree, except I have few if any CDs that sound as good as their LP counterparts. I do have a few SACDs remastered from the same tapes as their well made LPs. I suppose the comparison is not totally a controlled experiment. Remastering may have changed the sound significantly. What I am saying is that I am unable to hear differences that really matter when I'm listening for enjoyment.

@mrvordo 
I'm working on the cables now. 
Does anyone have any experience with Zu vs. Canare 4S11? I can actually get some Canares for about $75. The Zu Libtecs about $140 and Zu missions about $90, all bi-wire. 
Thanks. I am satisfied with both, except for the impulse for more, more, more that we addicts feel. Is there anyone out there who has both LP and SACD playback in their systems who feels that one is a lot better sounding than the other? The answer to that, I suppose, would lead me to a reasonable conclusion as to what can be expected.

I really appreciate all the help.
@mrvordo , very helpful information. Thanks. May I ask which phonostage you use?
Update:
I upgraded to a Musical Surroundings Phonomena II. It is a significant improvement over the Emotiva with some cartridges; not so much with others. The Denon DL-301 II is back on top now. I'm very disappointed that the Hana is not able to keep up. But since I'm so happy with the 301, why complain. I am on that "I'm hearing things I never heard before!" pink cloud.

Upgraded to Zu Libtec speaker cables. Another nice improvement.

 I now get more enjoyment out of most of my LPs than all but my very best digital recordings. Life is good.
Another update:
I upgraded the Hana from EL to SL. I wasn't able to make a side-by-side comparison, so don't ask. I was afraid the SL would be too unforgiving on older, more worn LPs. Not so. I had been enjoying vinyl most of my listening time since getting the SL and a few more great LPs, like Gene Clark - No Other and Nicole Atkins - Goodnight Rhonda Lee.

I also got two more SACDs that make a great argument for digital sound quality: Jennifer Warnes - The Hunter and Patsy Cline's Greatest Hits. Both are wonderful!