Help me decide on phono preamp


I have enjoyed my current setup but have decided to try a seperate phono preamp to see what improvements in sq can be had. I have two options I can purchase locally in mind based on my current budget :

Musical Surroundings Nova Phonomena ($400 used)

Lehmann Black Cube SE ll ($600 used)

My current setup is a Music Hall MMF 9.1 TT with a Clearaudio Maestro V2 cartridge playing through the built in MM/MC phono preamp in my Marantz PM - 11S3 integrated amp. 

Any opinions on either of these options?  The built in preamp has excellent reviews. Will either of these alternatives make a material difference or do I need to significantly increase my budget to have a real inpact?

Thanks
sjtm

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I think I am hearing what I feared / anticipated.  Not sure where I draw the line in terms of a budget.  I know there are several popular choices at or above $2,500.  I am not ready to make this leap.  Is there anything new or used in the $1,000- $1,500 (max) that would be a contender?
Agrippa - you are certainly correct it would help to define what is missing. If pressed, I would say “not much”, however my perception is limited by my experience. I am hoping to benefit from others whose experience is much more extensive than mine to help me prevent a false expectation. 

Like most system upgrades, the impact is limited by the rest of the components. I just upgraded my speakers and, while a casual listener would probably think there was no difference, I can hear a meaningful improvement in  SQ. 

A major outlay to upgrade the phono preamp may no be warranted without other significant component upgrades which I have no desire to do now. I was hoping someone would say “spend $1500 for a used Angel’s Breath Magnificator Preamp and your life will change”.  I have experienced 3 upgrades so far that were material ( amp, cartridge, speakers) and thought I might find a fourth here.

open to any suggestions.  

I have read a little about the Chinook and a couple of other tube preamps (Allnic) but not clear how much influence tube preamp will have when ahead of a SS integrated. 

Another candidate I have considered but is fairly new to the market is the Parasound JC3 Jr - the little brother to the well regarded JC3+. Not sure what is given up with the JR but new price is $1,500.

any thoughts on the tube question or the Parasound options? 
Read some more on the Chinook. Many threads on tube rolling. Leads me to a couple of questions:

What is the typical lifespan of tubes? How do you know when they are going bad?

A number of tube threads on phono preamps relate to “noisy” tubes.  Is this an issue with noise emanating from the tube itself or noise in the signal and heard through the speakers?

Is there an issue with the stock Chinook tubes?  There are a lot of threads about swapping tubes to improve sound/ performance. Is this something I should plan on having to do eventually, ie stick tubes are Chevys not Porsches? 

My only tube experience is with my guitar amps where the mfg uses very basic tubes but there is meaningful  sonic changes with aftermarket tubes. However these are usually fairly inexpensive ( $60 total cost) compared to some tubes recommended for Chinook ($500-$800). I would expect the choice by Manley (6922’s) would have optimized their design performance goals.

Thoughts? 
Well I managed to find a good deal on a gently used Chinook and picked it up this morning. I plan to try it out later this week at my beach house where I have a second system.  I will also try to compare it to both the internal phono stage in my Marantz as well as a Nova Phonomena.  I hope I will hear a meaningful improvement in SQ that justifies the price.
BTW - also purchased an Ortofon Cadenza Bronze MC cartridge along with the Chinook SE. Not installed yet, but looking forward to this soon. 
Never ended up comparing to the Nova and not sure there is much in the way of scientific evaluation in my comparison to the built in phono stage in the Marantz. The Marantz was evaluated by reviewers ( Absolute Sound among others) as having an exceptionally good phonostage. The Chinook elevated the listening experience of my system to another level. I was so impressed that I jumped on the opportunity to buy a Chinook SE  that had a significant tube upgrade by the previous owner. This made a still more revealing enhancement to the clarity and richness of my setup. I will use the original Chinook in my main system ( although, since I am  finding lots of excuses for extended weekends at the beach houses, I suppose I should consider this my main system).

Time to put the Nova up for sale.