Has anyone had experiences good or bad with speaker isolation or isolation in general ?

Kenny, maybe you could place the Townshend Seismic Bars front-to-back on your speakers, rather than side-to-side.

Here's a question involving spring isolators, specifically with turntables using springs to isolate their floating platform (onto which are mounted the platter and tonearm) from their base/plinth (attached to which is the motor): with a table such as the VPI HW-19 (one of which I just acquired), which came from the factory with a spring under each corner of the floating platform, my concern is with adding another set of springs under the base, the folly of which I mentioned earlier in this thread. So what is a boy to do? I have no such apprehension at the idea of placing a set of roller bearings under the tables base, however, even with the tables springs in place.

Replacing the four springs of the HW-19 with various isolators (such as the SIMS Navcom pucks) was common years ago, to what effect I don't know. Any comments or suggestions welcome!---Eric.

No Kenny, I just learned of the IsoAcoustic company and their line of speaker bases, the GAIA, and now Iso-Pucks (sold individually for $30 apiece, and intended for components, not speakers) . The Pucks were just introduced last month at an industry event, and haven't made it to retail stores or online sellers yet, as far as I can tell. Guitar Center is an IsoAcoustics dealer! I buy some of my drum gear there, and they discount about a third off retail prices. I'm waiting for the Pucks to show up, to have a look at them.

Like I said previously, it remains to be seen (or rather, heard ;-) how the IsoAcoustics products compare to the Townshend. The Seismic products very cleverly address vibrations coming at both speakers and components from below---Max is quite a mechanical engineer!

Thanks John, I’ll do that when I return from my trip next week down to SoCal to get the rest of my stuff and haul it up here to Vancouver.

Kenny, the individual Seismic Pods can be used in sets of three rather than four, as long as their combined weight capacity is sufficient for the piece place on them. That plus not having to pay for the Seismic Bar or Platform makes them significantly cheaper.

There is a new isolation product I just learned of that may provide some competition to the Townshend---IsoAcoustics Gaia (for speakers) and Iso-Puck (for components). How they compare remains to be seen. Other than the rather expensive electron microscope isolation tables from Newport and MinusK (over $2000), the only other isolators effective down to a very low frequency I’m aware of are 1- roller bearings, such as those made by Symposium Acoustics (New York) and Ingress Engineering (Canada). They provide a lot of isolation for their modest price ($85-$199 per set of three), but only in the lateral/horizontal plane, not the vertical, in which they are couplers. You therefore need to use in conjunction with them 2- springs of appropriate rating (such as those offered by Audiogoner Geoff Kait), which provide isolation in the vertical plane. The combination of the two makes for very effective isolation down to low single-digit frequencies, around 3Hz.

Oh, I’ve already taken a look at your system pics Kenny, back when you contacted me about the OB/Dipole Sub. Very, very nice!---Eric.

So Kenny, are you going to get the Seismic Bars for your main speakers as well?! I’m relieved the problem wasn’t with the OB/Dipole Subs themselves (I saw your recent posts about this subject on the AudioCircle GR Research Forum), as I recommended them to you ;-).

I’m planning on getting some of the Seismic Pods myself, for under my own speakers, OB/Dipole Subs, turntable, and SACD player. If that pleases me, maybe for my tube pre and power amps as well. All it takes is money! I just bought (haven’t even received them yet) a pair of speakers I had been hoping to one day find, and have temporarily depleted my hi-fi fund.

Barry Diament bolted each of his Maggie 3.7’s onto the middle of a 2’ x 2’ plank of plywood, and placed a trio of roller bearings under the plank in an equilateral triangle. Symposium Acoustics sells their Roller Block Jr. in sets of three, each of the RB’s having two 1-7/8" blocks of black-anodized aluminum into each of which is carved a "bowl". A single ball bearing separates the two blocks, one blocks bowl facing up, the other down. Barry prefers to use only one bowl, with the ball in it being in direct contact with whatever is placed on top of the bearing. Because the ball would depress into the plywood base from the weight of the speaker, Barry put a square of hard tile in three locations on the bottom of the base, one for each ball to be in contact with. He does the same with the bearings under his electronics, but puts the tile directly on the bottom of each components casework. He argues that a ball bearing moving in a single cup has a lower resonant frequency than does the ball in two cups, thereby providing isolation to a lower frequency.

The Symposium Acoustics Roller Block is nicely machined out of Alcoa aluminum, the ball bearing free to move in the bottom of each bowl. When receiving mechanical vibration, the ball "wants" to move horizontally, but since the surface it is on (the bowl in the block) is not flat, in order to move it must "climb" up the side of the bowl. That movement is microscopic, and is what provides isolation; the object under the roller bearing is vibrating, and those vibrations try to move wherever they are most easily absorbed and transferred on. The ball bearings, rather than transmitting vibration through them and into whatever sits upon them (which is what spikes and cones do), instead moves microscopically, using up the energy it receives in attempting to climb up the side of the bowl. The larger the bowl, the lower the bearings resonant frequency, and the lower the frequency to which will the bearing provide isolation.

I don’t know the diameter of the bowl in the RB Jr., but it is not as large as it could be, or as Diament recommends. There is a machinist in Canada making his own version of a roller bearing, in fact two of them. The original consists of a pair of 1-1/2" aluminum blocks with bowls, pretty much an exact copy of the Symposium RB, but without the black-anodizing. Due to demand from myself and others, he has created a second version, one with a larger diameter, shallower bowl in a single block, the shallower bowl thereby, as I said, providing isolation to a lower frequency. This block is machined from a harder grade of aluminum, and polished to a smoother surface texture. The company is named Ingress Engineering, and it has a website with all the details and ordering information. The highest performance roller bearing around, and cheaper than the Symposium Roller Block!

The roller bearing provides isolation in all planes save vertical, hence the need for another form of isolation in addition to it, such as an air bearing or a spring. The Townshend Seismic Pod appears to provide vertical isolation, so may be the only device necessary. Gotta get me some! 

If I had unlimited funds, I’d put everything on platforms such as the Minus K or Newport microscope tables, or folkfreaks Herzan. The closest a poor slob can get for relative peanuts is with a set of roller bearings and Geoff’s springs. The middle ground is where the Townshend Seismic Pods appear to have no competition, even from higher $ offerings from makers of somewhat high-priced devices claiming isolation, but in reality producing coupling below about 10Hz. The Herbie isolators are more in the nature of Sorbothane or Navcom---rubber pads, with a not-terribly low effective range. The rubber is actually reactive in the low-teen frequencies, leading to the common complaints of soft, spongy bass when isolating with rubber products.

Audiophile recording engineer Barry Diament uses roller bearings under all his recording and monitoring gear, even his Magneplanar MG3.7's! He recommends air bearings in addition to roller bearings, but is concerned his Maggies would be too easily knocked over with them in place. That's where the Townshend platform comes in---it is made in sizes commonly found in speaker enclosures, and can be secured to them for worry-free use. The Pods are available separately, and can be bolted onto the bottom of Sound Anchor speaker stands. I plan on doing exactly that to the SA stands my Eminent Technology LFT-8b speakers are bolted onto. That will create a stable tripod footing, and isolation to around 3Hz. Good enough for me! Folkfreak as well, apparently, for he has Townshend Seismik platforms under his very nice speakers.