Kotara, thats helpful info but also what I expected. I have a feeling a lot of the magic may rest with the tubed preamp but agree the CDC looks great on its own unlike the CDP. Jc51373 If one already has 10000+ cds with what millions ? more already out there I don't see the worry in investing in a single box state of art cd player now as who knows they may not be making them in the future ( one can always buy a few extra laser assembles to last ones lifetime). If cds will be dead soon all that'll mean is there'll be available sooner at cheaper second hand prices but without many of the inherent risks second hand vinyl brings.