Hana Umami Red or Lyra Kleos?


I’ve found out about two or three cartridges in my price range of $3000 -$4000 that should work well within the limitations of my Luxman 505uX Mk II’s built in phono stage. The other cartridge is the Soundsmith "The Voice" MI cartridge. Next I’ve had to figure out which are also compatible with my VPI Classic 2’s JMW 10.5i tonearm (with or without the VPI two pivot mod).

I’ve been informed off my short list, the Hana Umani Red and the Lyra Kleos both appear to have the right specs to be appropriate candidates for use with the VPI JMW 10.5i, However the Soundsmith "The Voice" would have weight and/or compliance issues.

Have any of you advice as to which of either the Hana Umami Red or Lyra Kleos MC cartridges you might prefer? I’m pretty sure these are both excellent choices, but may have some differences you might be able to point out, I’m a bit disappointed the Soundsmith "The Voice" might not match up well with the VPI JMW 10.5i tonearm, but so it goes. Thanks for any advice and sharing your experience with either of these cartridges.

Mike

skyscraper

Showing 6 responses by tablejockey

Who "informed" you the SS Voice isn't compatible?

All 3 choices will "work" on your arm.

SS carts have been  used on VPI's since their inception.

 

skyscraper-

Peter Ledermann himself  demoed his carts on VPI's for years.

SS cart's do have compliance options.

All your choices are solid. More of "Goldilocks" choice and how it interacts with your phono stage.

VP arms aren't the last thing in technology compared to others, but It can be setup for a convincing performance. I use an old  VPI Classic.

skyscraper,

Yes, about 10 years ago, I had the pleasure of just Peter and myself in his room at a show. He demoed several carts including the Voice on a VPI HRX with his bookshelves. I was impressed with what was heard on his little bookshelves

Sounding like a broken record-I’ve shared this particular part of my experience with Mr Soundsmith in other threads.

In the end, it’s what your ears feel comfortable with along with your wallet. There is something about ANY cartridge on a particular arm that you could pick apart.

Since we share the same table, thought I would give my $.0002 cents worth(adjusted for inflation)

FWIW-The Audio Technica ART9 is a cart in the $1K price point that will easily compete with carts 2X the price. I have used both SS and AT on my VPI Classic.

I thought this cartridge might be my final upgrade"

syscraper,

You're in the walltet opening zone. VPI Classic is a price point table. Putting a cart above $1-21K is questionable,IMO. Weakness of the arm design has been stated. Also, if you don't have the SDS or Phoenix RR speed control(better) you may not be aware what you're missing.

Upgrading the arm on the Classic with the gimbal or an aftermarket is subject for a different thread. Subjective and personal choice.

Using the same table and familiar with what it can do, I believe the carts your looking at may be underserved both by the standard arm and using the Luxman's internal phono stage?

Does it have the performance of a standalone $3K+ unit? That's what I would be considering for them. Reason I suggested the AT ART9. It has fans who own pricier carts. For that reason, I wouldn't consider higher than a Lyra Delos.

VPI long haulers seem to have upper level models using such carts. Just my opinion. If I were to go up the VPI food chain, I'd have theHW40 DD, put a REALLY nice aftermarket arm for a 2nd choice(if that's possible)

skyscraper-

I REALLY enjoy my VPI Classic. Wouldn't have kept it if I felt I wasn't hearing at least a good chunk of what I hear in a super table.

Setup is paramount.

That said, my thinking is maximize my cart choices in the $1-2k price point(just over a 1/3 of the table. Phonostage that will handle Lyra Kleos level when the next upgrade  comes.

VPI Classic looks like a traditional table, which I like.

I can hear it's speed inconsistency with the acid test-sustained organ(Marcel Dupree and E Power Biggs fan) along with R&R guitar power chords(I like to play along on my guitar) keeping a fresh belt on helps. Once it starts to wear  and becomes smooth, it gets noticeable. This of course is just my experience. 

Enjoy yours, I certainly  do! 

mr_m-

I don't find the SS CI  helping stability. I don't find the VPI unipivot a big fuss. I put it on an LP, it does its thing. It may appear shaky a second or two in the lead in grooves, but appears steady once the music starts. Definitely makes setup easier. 

 

skyscaper-

you haven't mentioned what cart you're upgrading from?

Lyra Kleos- you're in for a treat. Enjoy.