Gryphon Diablo 300 Has Arrived: First Impressions.


After a very long and drawn out search for a new amplifier for my B&W 803 D2's, which included in-home demos of McIntosh (452/C2600), Bryston (4B3), SimAudio Integrated's, and others that I tested in-store, I finally landed on the Gryphon Diablo 300. With the optional DAC module and phono board.

I feel lucky to a short trip away from one of the seven Gryphon dealers in North America, or I would not have found my amp. Some who are familiar with the Diablo may see my list of other amps I tested and think, those brands are not in the same league as Gryphon. And, after having painstakingly scrutinizing every demo component, I would have to agree they would be right. Those other brands cannot even come within striking distance. But here's the thing: from a pricepoint perspective, I'd be spending the equivalent amount of cash with those lower end brands once you factor in a pre/power amp, power cables, and interconnects - and it wouldn't sound as good as the Diablo. So, while expensive - the value is tremendous with the Gryphon Diablo 300. Others on this board have confirmed their opinion that I'd need to spend double on seperates before I could better the Diablo's performance. Including Whitecamaross, OP of the well known and ongoing "long list of amplifiers..." thread. I recognize that my search did not include uber-integrates from T+A, Dartzeel, etc. No way to consider these were I live. But I think that the Diablo is likely better suited than these alternatives for my use-case, with the power, current, and ability to drive my speakers in a large open space with a vaulted ceiling.

So I picked up the Diablo and it came in a great wooden crate that is smaller than you'd think, and has very handy clips that allow each panel of the crate to come off one panel at a time. The DAC was not pre-installed, and came in a seperate box. The phono board was also seperate, and was sold to me at a discount as it was a pulled from the shop's demo Diablo 300. I had expressed interest in installing these modules myself, so the shop said they'd let me have the experience of opening the brand new Diablo. Having installed the module and board (without incident), it was a little tricky. I would not suggest others try this unless you have some experience working with electronic components, PCB's etc (I do). And for safety you definitely want to ensure the Gryphon's massive and many capacitors have fully discharged prior to working inside.

On to the sound, out of the box with 0 hours run-time. The Diablo was a bit of a gamble for two reasons: 1) The dealer does not do in-home demos, and 2) The closest speakers I could test with to my 803's were the B&W 802 D3's, and 3) No returns or exchanges. Having fired up the amp and connecting to my digital source, right off the bat the music was thoroughly engaging. And here's the thing: When purchasing new gear over the course of 20 years or so, I've not once purchased any equipment that I've loved in the first month. This is the first. On my 803 D2's (or Diamond, whatever B&W calls this generation), I found that for the first time in all my amp-testing I was not listening for things like "dynamics","timing", "linear response", "imaging", but rather listening to people playing music. All instruments and voices have this solid and real quality to them. An example: with the tambourine at the start of Reckoner by Radiohead, you can sense the impact of each strike of the tambourine against the musician's hand. The same effect is there for vocals, with backing harmonies having a texture to them I've never heard. Another way to describe this effect is that rather than simply hearing the instruments, you are aware the sound is caused by something physical happening. Like with snare drums, it is more tangible than with any other gear I've heard. I've always thought that trailing notes or chords at the very ends of songs are just there as musicians need to signify that the song is over. But now, there is a presence and drama and texture to these endings I've never heard before. Just as I said earlier, I'm no longer listening for things like "dynamics" and "timing", but rather hearing the musical manifestation of these things. The midrange is absolutely beguiling, as one pro-reviewer put it. I think this may be partially due to the DAC based on my in-store testing I did. So far I've only tried the USB input at home. I am quite sensitive to harsh mids and highs, especially on poorly recorded hard rock, and can find this type of music very grating on hifi equipment. But not on the Diablo. The mids and highs are smooth. There is no sign of any harshness at all. But counter-intuitively, at the same time, there is so, so much detail to the music. Everything is revealed, in a presentation that is paradoxically smooth and engaging. Is this an analytical amp, or a musical amp? It's both. Don't know how they pulled it off. The bass is one of the Diablo's most striking qualities. Just as with the other instruments, the base is tangible, highly detailed and deeply textured - it creates a groove in the music that is so satisfying. I didn't know my speakers could do this.

This amp absolutely has a voice to it - it is not a "just the facts" amp. So those who are looking for that sort of amp may not like the Gryphon. But for me, this is exactly the sound I was looking for. Some have said there is a slight "dark" quality to the presentation, and I thought that sounded negative. But I understand now and have come to realize that this dense, detailed, and rich smooth voice is exactly what I was looking for.

In terms of how it performs on my speakers vs with the 802 D3's in the store - there is quite a bit of detail, and soundstaging, that is not present now. But on the flip-side, I actually like the overall presentation at home even more, and the detail that is there is still incredible. And, I'd expect more detail to emerge through the burn-in period. Even now, I'd be totally happy if this is the best it gets. In the store, I found the high level of precision of the 802 D3's just a tad distracting. For example, in the store, if I turned my head slightly, I could hear the entire soundstage shift quite dramatically. My 803's at home don't have this issue.

I have not finished upgrading accessories yet: I am running this amp on inadequate sub $1K Van-den-hul D352 speaker wire, and my source is a Mac Mini with Audirvana/Tidal Hifi. I do have it running with a brand new AQ Hurricane power cord. My Mac will be replaced by an Innuous Zenith MKIII but it's on backorder. Might be a month or two wait. Don't know what I'm going to do about speaker wire quite yet. I'd like to try Valhalla 2 just to see if it is worth it!

Overall, extremely happy. Expect things to get even better with the dedicated music player, upgraded speaker wire, and some more hours of burn-in. One more thing - I don't think that Flemming Rasmussen designed this amp. Batman did. And just look at the remote - case closed.
nyev

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Nyev, each Diablo leaves the factory with about 80 hours on it. Make sure you can return or easily resell cables and cords that you try. I would think Gryphon and Purist Audio cables first, maybe Echole and Stage III as well. You like the sound with Van den Hull speaker cables, so maybe that too. A lot depends on available funds and amount of time and effort to compare. In any case, you can get something decent now and upgrade later. Cables and cords are so bloody expensive even used.
Forgot to mention. Unless you already have it, you need really good USB digital cable. I don't have personal experience, I heard that Purist Audio, higher Audioquest and Wywires are worth considering. There are others, of course. It is thought by some that digital cable should not be shorter than about 5 feet.
nyev, sorry I can't answer your second question. As for the first one, it would depend on particular cartridge. Maybe someone else can be more specific, especially if you have in mind particular cartridges that you might be using in the future. It would probably be better to start a separate thread in analog part of the discussions. It would take quite an experience with many cartridges to answer your question fully.
You might also ask Gryphon dealer or distributor. I currently use MM cartridge and will continue doing it until I start building a completely new higher level system.
I just heard than digital cable should not be shorter than 5 feet, I have no idea how a longer cable would sound in comparison. 5 feet or so seems to be the standard.
Yeah, give the Diablo 100 -150 more hours. Do you use stock power cord for now ?
Yeah, why not ? There is one for sale here for $11.5k, without phono or dac, though.
You have Audioquest usb cable and Audioquest power cord, perhaps it might make sense to try Audioquest speaker cables too. Just a thought. My set-up is very different but unless I were prepared to try dozens or more of possible combinations, I would not have different brands of the last interconnect in the chain and speaker cables. Power cords can be more complicated, you mostly match it to a particular piece of the equipment but still one brand everywhere. could add some additional synergy.
Yeah, I prioritize too, and my current yearly audiophile budget is $1200-$1500, not including records, and I no longer buy cds. This is not very little, though it won't get you new Diablo 300. There is, however previous generation Diablo 250 for sale for $6500 or less. So this would take up my 5 years audiophile budget. I will skip this opportunity because first I already have used up this year's budget, second I need new computer and modest outboard dac/headamp, and third I would still like to get Diablo 300.
While no doubt it is very expensive, especially with dac, many can afford it if determined and disciplined enough.
nyev, you are  absolutely right. However, I am also about to start saving on Studer or Otari open reel tape deck and better phono stage. Which one will come first ? I don't know, we'll see.
Good for me that I already have Purist Neptune interconnects and Purist Dominus power cord that both would work splendidly with Diablo. Even my old Purist Colossus fluid speaker cables should be fine to begin with.
Family responsibility..I could get that $6k Diablo 250 right away. I hope this won't foster masochism in me..
Anyone tried to put additional gain stage upstream, in between source and the Diablo ? I mean active preamp, either tube or transisto, not just phono stage. Match would be highly important in terms of impedances, gain and musicality. Diablo's preamp section is passive, basically it is a power amp. This idea is not, of course, if you only use onboard dac. I would give it a try with some excellent tube preamp.
Just a few days ago I bought Burson Audio Soloist headamp/preamp and I thought I would be using it for headphones listening only. But first I decided to put it in between my analog source and Redgum RGi120 integrated that also has passive preamp section.
So what do you know ? It improved the sound with no drawbacks. More weight, better dynamics and slightly better soundstage. Now, this Burson has three gain settings - low, medium and high - and everything sounds best on Medium, including Grado RS1 headphones.

I would think that at this point upgrading the source could be more important than speaker cables. To Aurender streamer, perhaps.
Flemming strongly prefers pure silver or silver alloy cables, and he hardly ever thinks of bargains. 
nyev, you got a serious piece of equipment, value cables don't qualify really.

No returns - NO SALE !!!  And 1/5th retail is BS. Stay away from this company.
If you don't want to follow my recommendation and try Gryphon and you still think you can get away with less expensive cables, give Wywires a listen, Silver or Platinum series.
nyev, I don’t, but I think the full retail price of VIP 1 Meter pair of interconnects is something like US $2500, so speaker cables should probably be $4k-$5k depending on length. But I don’t guarantee that I am correct, and prices might change. Still less than, say, Purist Dominus Diamond, I guess, which is something that I would also try.
Wywires Platinum is $3k for 8 feet pair and 30 days money back. I just don’t know if it applies to Canadian buyers as well. Tchernov Reference MK II is something like $3k pair too.
I have in my system Purist Neptune, Tchernov Reference MK II and Wywires Silver series interconnects not speaker cables. Tchernov and Wywires belong to the same sonic signature group, Purist Neptune is very different and my absolute preference for digital recordings and sources. With analogue source...it depends, still the Neptune in most cases.
I’ll just mention another brand, very expensive and highly reputable - Echole, but I am not sure that it would be the best match for Gryphon, still if you have an opportunity - try them.
I heard an opinion that Diablo 120 sounds even better than Diablo 300 at low and moderate levels with more sensitive speakers. Just a thought for those considering Diablo 300.
I understand the move from Gryphon integrated to VAC separates. VAC and Lamm separates are first rate.
Yeah, though I am a cable guy, I think that is too much. I would start with upgrading speakers and then cables. But everyone has his own crazy ways. Based only on the OP's review I would take Transparent if I had to, Nordost doesn't seem to have good enough balance and harmonic correctness and it doesn't seem to have the power of delivery, it would to a degree block what the Diablo is capable of. Another consideration is that when you run a comparison like that you want the strongest source possible, mini Mac is not that kind of source. And of course, one must be absolutely certain that all the cables are fully burnt-in, this means playing each for at least 250-300 hours before doing any critical listening.
Speaker cables in my system did cost as much as the speakers, but that was only $1500 new twenty years ago and I paid $500 for each twenty years ago.
Well then, there is only the final chapter of this left - paying for the Nordost, unless you want to try it first with your coming streamer.
Sorry, man, it's a hell of a lot of money any way you look at it.
Cables and power cords are components, more so excellent ones. Signal transmission is a serious and complicated thing. Yes, it might cost $100 to manufacture $10k cable but it might also take three years of research and design to make it happen.