Generalized attributes of amplifier technologies


I have been contemplating going to the "dark side"  (Purify based amp) on my main stereo.  Do I still need the masking distortion of my MOSFET amp after resolving the payer and DAC issues?  Still needed due to less than optimal source quality? (It does measure .003% @ 1W, 1K or better as that is about my test residual) This led me to thinking about the various reasons tubes, MOSFETS, BJT, or Class D sound different. 

These are very generalized attributes as I have experienced them. I have owned and built tube, bjt, and MOSFET amplifiers. Owned class D ( cheap for the garage)   

For any technology, the execution matters probably more than the technology. Personal preference matters. This is NOT a better or worse, just thoughts on differences. I am sure there are additional attributes.  It would be nice if we could quantize them with how our brain interprets the sounds so we could rely (design to) more on objective measures than subjective. I am assuming competent design and components.  

Tube amps have a rolled off top end due to transformer output. Fewer ultrasonic artifacts. We sense ultrasonic and they can cause tweeter ringing and IM issues. 

Tubes may have more even order HD than odd. It may be higher providing some masking. Our brain favors even low order. 

Tubes have higher but steady noise floor. Again, masking a lot of ills. 

Tubes tend to "extended decay" as reviewers say, ringing is the reality. Euphonic masking?

Tubes, for the same measures steady state power, tend to sound more dynamic. Sufficient power supply or less compression?

Tubes tend to have much lower DF so deep bass control is loser. 

MOSFETS have less compression with amplitude than BJT.  More linear transconductance.

MOSFETS typically had higher bandwidth than BJT and way higher than tubes. Possible differences with IM. Or TIM as the fad in the 80's. No longer a big difference with BJT.

Any technology, Differences in IM with gain.  IM being non harmonic our brain does not like it. 

Any technology, insufficient dynamic power supply current causes compression and higher distortions.

Solid state, and maybe tubes too, the more parallel outputs, the lower the current in each and the more linear. ie, less compression. 

Dynamic power supply current. Here is where budget amps fall flat.  Cap arrays about 4X calculated with very low ESR make a big "compression" difference.  Dips in the rails can have nastier effects to the IPS and VAS than the outputs. 

Class D used to have  serious load invariance issues. Combined with switching power supplies way too small.  Not sure that is true anymore. 

Class D used to have a pumping noise floor.  Now so low, maybe irrelevant

Class D tends to drive low Z loads easier. BJT and MOSFET stability get difficult under 4 or 5 Ohms.

Tubes miss-match of the transformer output  and load raises both linear and harmonic distortion. Never seen a 2 or 3 Ohm tap.  Tough on widely varying load impedances. 

Differences in clipping behavior. Inherent but implementation can mitigate somewhat. 

Architecture differences, local vs global feedback ratios, Miller vs dominant pole compensation, differential vs se IPS and VAS, and on and on. 

 

FWIW, I have also considered going back to a tube on my desk just for fun.  I do love my giant 2W Schiit amp though.  It's huge improvement over the Creek is what got me thinking I can use a cleaner amp in the main stereo. 

 

tvrgeek

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I have a hard time believing 100K though. 

@tvrgeek our amps have all had 100KHz bandwidth but they are OTLs. The little 5 Watt amp I mentioned uses output transformers made by Edcor. The spec the transformer to 50KHz. But I measured the amp and it did 100KHz with ease.

Google returns this on 'Harmon Kardon Citation 2 specs":

  • Manufactured between 1959-1962.
  • Power Output: 60 watts/channel.
  • Frequency Response @ 60W: 18Hz to 40,000 Hz +0, /-1.0 dB.
  • Frequency Response @ 20W: 18Hz to 60,000 Hz +0, /-1.0 dB.
  • Frequency Response @ 1W: 2Hz to 80,000 Hz+0, /-1.0 dB.
  • Frequency Response (Power Amplifier): 10Hz to 80,000Hz +/-1.0 Db.

I measured the output transformers of the Citation 5 myself, on which I based my comments. Tube amps that have that sort of bandwidth are not that weird. Its even more common for them to to to 50KHz. I hope you're not suggesting that a 50KHz bandwidth results in the amp sounding rolled off.

The myth of even or odd harmonics is purely a topology factor even in a tube amp. SE vs P-P if I remember.

A PP amp, if fully balanced, will express a cubic non-linearity; even orders are cancelled from input to output. The amplitude of the higher ordered harmonics will fall off more rapidly than they do in a single-ended circuit, where a quadratic non-linearity is expressed (resulting in a large 2nd order harmonic, usually with succeeding harmonics falling off on an exponential curve).

 

@tvrgeek Tube amplifiers do not have to be rolled off. A lot depends on the design of the output transformer. Harmon Kardon made the Citation series amplifiers back in the 1960s. Their Citation 5 had 100KHz bandwidth. Seems to me the Citation 2 was not far behind. I am running a 5 Watt tube amp in my bedroom which has full power bandwidth to 100KHz. Bandwidth is not why tube amps seem to have less energy in the highs than a lot of solid state.

Distortion is the culprit. It may not be much, but the ear uses higher ordered harmonics to sense sound pressure- that brightness is caused by higher ordered harmonics; the ear interprets them as brightness (and also harshness).

In case its not clear at this point, the distortion signature of any amplifier is its 'sonic signature'. The class of operation doesn't have an enormous effect on that- the topology and execution of the circuit does.