Future of cables!


https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-discovered-a-new-electronic-state-of-matter?utm_source=...

I know very little about cable technology & even less about quantum physics. I read this & immediately thought (10+yrs down the road) this would upend cable tech: efficiency, clarity, & probably a bunch of stuff I don’t even know about that goes into cable science.

So, say hello to your new 2030 $70k cables. I’m curious what other people think.
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Answer me this, Mr. Electronics Authority, why is skin effect even an issue when the signal is not the audio waveform, i.e., it’s not frequency dependent? Furthermore, nobody said double blind tests are unfair. What was said was double blind tests are no more meaningful than any other type of test. They can also be easily rigged, so in that sense you’re right.
What a coincidence!! That was David Carradine’s favorite knot. 🤗
Gee whiz, guys, I thought some clever and curious fellow would at least try the square knot before passing judgment. Too superstitious, I reckon. What are you afraid of? This looks a lot like if it’s not in Wikipedia it’s not real syndrome.
OK, getting back on topic for just a sec, here’s a crazy little trick you can try at home. The sound can be improved without changing cables .....and it’s free. 🤗 🔙 mahgister please note! Tie a square knot in any cable OR tie two adjacent cables together in a square knot. ♾ Also called a reef knot. The more cables that have square knots the better the sound. This includes all audio and non-audio cables and cords such as lamp cords, refrigerator cords, computer cords, etc. Courtesy of Peter Belt.

Note I have not mentioned the importance of cable directionality once in this thread. 
You’re getting warmer. All pyroelectric crystals are also piezoelectric, but not all crystals that are piezoelectric are pyroelectric. The two effects are independent, I.e., they’re not (rpt not) linked. But since you reported good results with Himalayan salt lamps which are supposedly pyroelectric I fear you might be the victim of the placebo-electric effect. 😬

Pop quiz: How do tourmaline hair dryers work? 
You need to expand your Google search, grasshopper. Tourmaline is pyroelectric.


“The first reference to the pyroelectric effect is found in writings by Theophrastus(c. 314 BC), who noted that lyngourion, tourmaline, could attract sawdust or bits of straw when heated.[9] Tourmaline’s properties were rediscovered in 1707 by Johann Georg Schmidt, who noted that the stone attracted only hot ashes, not cold ones.[10] In 1717 Louis Lemery noticed, as Schmidt had, that small scraps of non-conducting material were first attracted to tourmaline, but then repelled by it once they contacted the stone.[11] In 1747 Linnaeus first related the phenomenon to electricity (he called tourmaline Lapidem Electricum, "the electric stone"),[12]although this was not proven until 1756 by Franz Ulrich Theodor Aepinus.[13][citation needed]

Research into pyroelectricity became more sophisticated in the 19th century. In 1824 Sir David Brewster gave the effect the name it has today.[14] Both William Thomson in 1878[15] and Woldemar Voigt in 1897[16] helped develop a theory for the processes behind pyroelectricity. Pierre Curie and his brother, Jacques Curie, studied pyroelectricity in the 1880s, leading to their discovery of some of the mechanisms behind piezoelectricity.[citation needed]”


Tourmaline is a negative ion generator among other things. I sell a tourmaline gun, if you can believe it. 🤗 I’ll leave it to the student to fill in the blanks. 
One thing we don’t know is what exactly about the audio signal is being affected by RF and vibration. And by directionality as long as we’re on the subject. Is it the electromagnetic wave? The current? The voltage? The Poynting vectors? It’s SO exasperating! 😩
I introduced a tourmaline stone to my cable recently and they’ve been friends ever since. 👯‍♀️
@djones51, long on emotion, short on evidence. At least you tried. 😛
Thumbs up! For trying, but not for answering correctly. At least you tried. 🤗 Are you channeling Michael Green? Knowledge can be defined by subtracting out all the stuff you have forgotten from school and measuring whatever’s left.
@mahgister You’re close, very close! 🤗 Actually, scientifically, it can be demonstrated that in the same controlled environments there are obvious differences between cables, sometimes more so than other times, due to the vagaries of the test system, the test person, weather, what have you. Even when the system has been profoundly controlled for RF, vibration, etc. in fact I suggest that it is in those overachiever type systems where cable differences are most profound. 
Ooops, I meant to say 50,000. You’re not the only one, there’s about 10.  I don’t want you to feel bad.
I was not expecting that. 😬

But seriously, it’s your word against 10,000 others. Who ya gonna believe? Maybe it’s a giant global conspiracy, did you think of that?
If you can’t hear the difference it’s because you’re either going deaf or all thumbs. Just another outlier. No offense. 
Of course this all brings us back to the unanswered questions,

1. Does external vibration affect the signal in wires and if so how?
2. Why do seemingly insert audio components like solid state amps benefit from being isolated from external vibration? 
3. Is the audio signal In wires itself vibrational?
They said the same thing about fiber optics - the future of wires! We all know how that worked out. 😛
It’s a moot point whether the “signal” travels inside the wire or outside the wire. Since the sound quality is directly related to the type and purity of metal as well as the size of the conductor, all things being equal, we need not concern ourselves with Poynting vectors, as cool as they are. Furthermore, the speed of the signal in wire is given for copper not for the dielectric material and it is a high percentage of the speed of light. We DO however have to concern ourselves with the induced magnetic field, the dielectric material, RF and other related issues as we’ve seen in many other threads ever since Gandhi was a Cub Scout.
The whole thing is stupid because electrons aren’t the signal so it doesn’t matter how fast they move, which is about a meter an hour, first one way then the other in AC circuits. Net velocity zero.

Remember what the dormouse said, Feed your head.

Also remember what the Little Train That Could said, I think can, I think I can, etc. Toot, toot!