Futterman. Jump in? Or, not so fast...


Today I heard a Futterman OTL powering a pair of Quad ESL57s. The Futterman has been recently serviced and is in nice shape. It sounded wonderful. I understand this is a rare beast.

I've been advised a set of tubes can last 10,000 hours. But these are not common tubes and they need to be closely matched, an their are 12 of them. If I were to buy this amp I'd immediately start worrying about putting together a backup set of spares, which could run into quite a bit of money.

So - Futterman owners - what say ye?  Jump on the chance to own a legend? Or stick with my "set and forget" Quad 909 powering my ESL 2805s...
markusthenaimnut

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I am jumping into this thread rather late.

I have had a pair of NYAL Futterman OTL3s since 1985, or for 38 years. For the first 20 years, they would go on the fritz every 5 to 6 years. Since Jon Specter, with George Kaye’s assistance, converted them to triode from pentode (still using the 6LF6 tubes [those are ’pentode’ tubes what do I know?]) some 15 years ago, they have been very stable, providing 130 watts into a 16 ohm load without once needing tube replacement.

Since it has been so long, I just days ago gave Jon the amps to go over. He said the tubes are now providing only 80 watts but otherwise show now signs of fritzing. I am having him replace them with NOS tubes anyway, and having him look for any caps that are so old that they are in danger of drying up completely, or can be replaced by something better.

As for ferrite beads, they are all over mine, but that was to ward off ham radio signals from taxicabs driving by (I lived on busy 3rd Avenue in NYC).

Jon claims that the amps have a bad rap: like any high end amp, they are sensitive to load. He says that they must be matched to the right speaker, and you need to check the bias and balance regularly, and that if you monitor them and use them properly, there are no issues, and especially with the new design that Jon and George came up with, see http://kayeaudiolabs.com/ NYAL/Futterman

As for number of hours, if I guesstimate that I listen for 15 hours a week x 52 weeks x 12 years, that's 9,360 hours, and they are still not done yet, I am 'retiring' them but marking them and saving them for a rainy day.

I think I have heard some of you complaining about not being able to find George Kaye but I just spoke to him the other day. He is still doing some builds and repairs but is mostly retired and focusing on performing and recording music.

If you have a pair of NYAL Futtermans, or any version of the Futtermans that need repair, Jon may be your guy, and you may want him to modify them as the mod lifted the performance, especially at the bottom end.

I am wondering what markusthenaimnut finally decided.

I really don’t understand why @atmasphere seems to start out with anything he has to say about Futtermans by trashing NYAL. Or is he not? Is it me? It sounds that way.

I have been planning on writing a short - or maybe not so short - memoir of my audio and vinyl-collecting journey, of which what I am about to share would be a part.

For now, just an update.

Jon spent a huge amount of time on my amps, from late August through early November. He had to have surgery on one hand from decades of professional guitar playing, so he’s slowed down. It was well worth the wait.

All 16 matched 6LF6 tubes (that were running at about 65% of their original strength) have been replaced with a new matched set NOS 6LF6 tubes. The dozens of photoflood caps, which were about 1/2” x 1”, not as atmasphere described, were replaced by three huge caps costing several hundred dollars each. The circuit board was re-etched where he detected corrosion.

I bought a second set of 18 (two backups) 6LF6 tubes to have on standby for 15 years from now. They go in the box with the other 90 tubes I have that range in quality from NOS to questionable.

One night, at around 2:30 in the morning, Jon calls me up (Jon still keeps musician’s hours, 😬). “Yes Jon, wassup, zzzzz?”

”Michael, you’re not gonna believe it. I found it!”

”Found what?”

”Julius made a mistake! I found it!”

”Really? 55+ years of people fiddling with this design and no one noticed until now? So, you’re going to fix it, yes?”

”😆, yes! You know how the bass in the Futtermans has always left a bit to be desired? Wait until you get these back!”

So, I got them back. Jon said to give them 200 hrs to break in, but the difference in speed, slam, and bottom was already clearly apparent.

I have now logged the first 200 hrs. One of the NOS tubes failed, but that’s what the two extra in the set are for.

The new sound, in a phrase, beyond superb. Rich, full, detailed, convincing, transparent (of course), especially on live recordings.

I’ve had them for 39 years. I’m 70. Hopefully they get me through to my 95th year. I’m optimistic, notwithstanding the heart surgery last year. Hopefully I still have hearing then.

They are driving a pair of Altec 604Cs with Mastering Lab crossovers (also upgraded by Jon), and I have added a Koetsu Leopard and a Pro-ject Tube Box D2 phono preamp.

See Harvey Gitmo Rosenberg “The Search for Musical Ecstasy (Book One: In the Home)” available on Amazon. There’s one left.

There is a pair of (search:) “NYAL Futterman OTL-1 - special version - OTL vacuum tube amplifier” for sale on eBay. I’m not associated with the seller, but I do know he worked for NYAL for many years as a salesperson.

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