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I’ve already wrapped up the Nobel Prize for Patience. Al might be in the running for the Density prize however. That one’s a very close race, though, Al and Atmosphere are neck and neck. Listen, all kidding aside, this is not rocket science. If you doubt small differences in resistance for fuses are audible, then I suggest you roll up your sleeves and get to work on something you might understand better than fuses - cables. That’s right cables. Since all wire is directional, cable are directional, too, right? As far as I can tell no one has signed in and refuted that so I guessing one of the usual jokers must be thinking to himself, gee, I don’t know, what if he’s right? All you need to do is measure the difference in resistance of any unshielded cable, measuring from end A to end B and then vice versa - speaker cable, interconnect, whatever. Could be Radio Shack, I don't care. Anti Cables speaker cables would be a good candidate since they’re something everyone can understand and everyone can see, since they’re not shielded or covered with a jacket. See how simple I’m making it? Now, you tell me, is there a difference in resistance one way to the other. Final exam: what does that difference mean? Extra credit: are the Arrows on Anti Cables there just to lure gullible audiophiles? |
If it weren’t for threads like fuse threads neither side would have much to debate. Sometimes it’s good to release all that pent up emotion. 😀 Long live fuse threads and all the other threads that threaten complacent and contended audiophiles. As I keep saying if you really want to see some fireworks just wait’ll ya get a load of some tweaks that are really controversial. Then you’ll see the fur fly! Fuses threads like this one have been around like forever, at least 15 years. Get used to it. If ya can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen. made the scene day to day week to week hour to hour the river is deep and wide break on through to the other side hey, hey, hey, hey! |
George, Pathological skepticism, which we see rear its ugly head from time to time, especially on this particular fuse thread, but also many others, was addressed thoroughly in Zen and the Art of Debunkery. Perhaps you missed it. The author wrote, "Skepticism is an integral part of the scientific method, professional debunkers — often called ‘kneejerk skeptics’ — tend to be skeptics in name only, and to speak with little or no authority on the subject matter of which they are so passionately skeptical.” Sound familiar? It should. I can certainly understand why those who were trapped in the paradigms of the 80s and 90s got left behind the real audiophile journey. Not the fake audiophile journey that most people, like yourself, apparently, are familiar with and accept as real. One reason I employ the subtitle, Advanced Audio Concepts, for my company (Machina Dynamica) is the recognition that many audiophiles, for whatever reason, view anything that is outside or beyond their ken or experience as foreign or alien. "Unexplained" as you put it. One assumes you guys down in the remote islands in the Pacific don’t get a lot of the memos the rest of us get. That might explain your confusion and anger. An audio device or tweak only needs to be sufficiently advanced to be labeled magic or BS. Do you believe cameras steal your soul? From introduction to Zen and the Art of Debunkery: "Seeing with humility, curiosity and fresh eyes was once the main point of science. But today it is often a different story. As the scientific enterprise has been bent toward exploitation, institutionalization, hyperspecialization and new orthodoxy, it has increasingly preoccupied itself with disconnected facts in a psychological, social and ecological vacuum. So disconnected has official science become from the greater scheme of things, that it tends to deny or disregard entire domains of reality and to satisfy itself with reducing all of life and consciousness to a dead physics. In forgetting that all knowledge is provisional and subject to new discovery, mainstream science seems to be treading the weary path of the ossified religions it presumed to replace. Where free, dispassionate inquiry once reigned, emotions now run high in the defense of a fundamentalized “Scientific Truth.” As anomalies mount up beneath a sea of denial, defenders of the Faith and the Kingdom cling with increasing self-righteousness to the hull of a leaking paradigm. Faced with provocative evidence of things undreamt of in their philosophy, many otherwise mature scientists revert to a kind of reactive infantilism characterized by blind faith in the absoluteness of the familiar." An ordinary man has no means of deliverance! geoff kait machina dynamica advanced audio concepts |
georgehifi Geoffkait: I have a lot more engineering science under my belt than you two guys put together. You directed this statement at Almarg and Ralph!!!!! you really are certifiable. You’ve also been laughed off many other technical forums by even higher technical authorities than them, for your unexplained findings, you really do think you are the new "Audio Messiah"?? We can only live in hope the same happens here. I think you probably misunderstood. It was I who did the laughing. Like I laugh at you, Georgie. My unexplained findings? Are you high, Georgie? |
Geez, AL, you still trying to snow us with that, "we’re electronics and digital designers so we must be right" argument? You guys are too much. That’s the most obvious illogical argument there is - ye olde Appeal to Authority. Besides, if anyone has the credentials to win such an appeal to authority for fuse directionality it’s me! I have a lot more engineering science under my belt than you two guys put together. It’s not really an electronics or digital design issue. It's a metal crystal me physical science issue. What did I take? Thermodynamics, statistical thermodynamics, strength of materials, nuclear physics, indeterminate structures. You know, things of that nature. So please don’t try to snow us with your credentials. In fact, my undergraduate thesis involved the atomic physics of highly magnetized metal crystal. OK, you can guys can retire to your Barco Loungers. |
nonoise It seems no matter what is posted is simply overlooked so as to fit one’s narrative. >>>>>Actually, I don’t think one need look any further than the simple fact that the wire in the fuse is a metal alloy that’s designed to melt at a certain temperature that’s determined according to where the fuse is to be used. So all the highly technical terminology like high rupturing or whatever is irrelevant. One trusts the fuse employs high conductivity end caps and proper solder for attaching the (high conductivity) wire. Plus whatever else one deems necessary. See below paragraph. What is probably not obvious is the fuse is just sitting there, vulnerable to magnetic fields, electromagnetic waves and vibration. That’s really where the aftermarket fuses have come into their own and why they surpass stock fuses, all stock fuses, in sonic performance. Regardless of how one tries to pump up stick fuses with colorful language. Glass is not completely taboo either as seen in the Audio Magic Beeswax fuse, which uses a stock glass fuse upon which to construct the audiophile Beeswax fuse. It doesn’t require a degree in rocket science to appreciate why aftermarket fuses are superior to the run of the mill stock fuses. That’s why we see vibration control fluids, ceramic bodies, Graphene and other innovations in fuses. Fuses, even fancy fuses, are still vulnerable to magnetic fields but I guess that’s a story for another day. |
georgehifi "And this thread is only about fuses." If it were "just " about fuses, this thread wouldn’t even have to go over a few intelligent technical posts. This is more about some here who want to make out that $$$ fuses have some hidden magic (voodoo) to be found within, with an answer to the holy grail of great audio sound, nothing more, nothing less. Cheers George But, Georgie old bean, I haven’t seen an intelligent technical post from you here. I have seen intelligent technical posts from others. What’s up with all the angst and denial? One supposes it’s possible you simply can’t follow logical technical arguments. |
cerberus79 Has the purpose of a fuse been lost ? How it is designed to work ? By design there is no directionality in a fuse. it is simply designed to open in an overcurrent situation. If it was directional in relation to the current passing through it would be a diode. You have to admit there is some amount of irony in the fact (oops, there’s that word again!) that the HiFi Tuning fuses come with the diode symbol on them. Obviously fuses are not really acting like diodes in the sense they work only in one direction, it’s just to remind the user that the fuse sound better one way than the other. Besides we already know all wire is directional, not by design but by necessary process of manufacturer. Metal crystal like copper is not inherently directional physically or electrically, only when it’s drawn into wire. Make sense? You might ask, Has the purpose of an amplifier been lost? How is it deigned to work? Shouldn't all amplifiers sound the same? |
Note to self: all of this rumpus points out and highlights the fact (see, there’s a fact!) that there is a HUGE chasm between the locals and the other audiophiles living contentedly in the 1990s and the advanced audiophiles who haven’t given up. And this thread is only about fuses. Try to imagine the angst and anger when the threads turn to something a little more, shall we say, devisive? You know. But this is not an isolated case, it happens on all audio forums. Live and let die. |
georgehifi georgehifi Can you give some other technical forums you visit so we can see what they think of you there also? Cheers George Don’t worry Geoff, all I had to do was Google "Geoff Kait audio" and wow, you really get a new one ripped on many forums, even Stereophile which is usually a fairly calm forum. >>>Huh? Whoa! Hey, talk to yourself much, George? Tsk, tsk! |
Teo, why pick me to become unhinged on? I don’t get it. If you want to get into some weird pseudo philosophical argument with me you’re barking up the wrong tree. Fortunately the world is not as complex, unfathomable, opaque, impenetrable, mysterious, theoretical or uncertain as you portray it to be. |
teo_audio The underpinning is that a ’fact’ is a name, a moniker, a logic misnomer... for a highly predicable theory. But it remains theory. The use of the word ’law’ in science is also an attempt to put social and cultural group pressure on individuals to conform or be punished by the group. At least this is part of the traditional meaning of the use of the word law. Thus we can see the the word law remains as being in the world of human social/cultural structure and in the supposed world of logic, has zero place in the world of science. So we can have the word law in the world of science, if we are looking to prosecute people and possibly kill, ostracize or beat them to death, in public, for ’violating’ laws. Which, according to the tenants of science, is patently absurd and against the very fabric of science and what it is supposed to stand for. But the word works very well in religion. Is science with laws -- a form of dogmatism? > Let me guess. You’re an English major? A Drama major? A Religion major? But seriously, it is not really too difficult to demonstrate to anyone that the world is flat, that the speed of light in constant in the universe, or that there are black holes in the center of most galaxies, including ours. Of course if one’s mind is closed it makes it more difficult. It is also fairly easy to show that there was (almost certainly) a Big Bang, that the universe is around 14 billion years old, that the universe is expanding, that there are gravity waves from colliding black holes, There are such things as truths and facts in science. Why pretend there aren’t. Are you trying to be Juror #10? "You can’t prove it!" Man discovers or uncovers reality of the world and universe around him by observing, theorizing, experimenting, by mathematical or experimental proof and/or by weighing the preponderance of evidence. And by establishing Laws and theories that he believes govern phyically reality. Some theories like atomic theory is evolutionary in the sense it is ever getting more complete and more complex. |
nonoise I did a quick google search to see if places other than the USA use a different descriptor than "high breaking capacity" in their fuses. Apparently there’s also "high rupturing capacity". Two different types of fuses. HRC fuses are built primarily with ceramic bodies, silver plated end caps, silver internal wire and are filled with different types of powder to prevent arcing when the wire melts on one end inside the fuse. It’s also stated to be a calibrated conductor. Sound familiar? The stated advantages are that they do not deteriorate with age, they clear high and low fault currents and have consistent performance. Could it be that someone just applied the better material aspects of fuse design in HRC fuses and applied them to "normal" audio fuses with the corresponding markup our hobby enjoins? >>>>Maybe, but how did they get the 99% pure silver gold impregnated wire inside the ceramic body? from highend electronics dot com, "The latest development of HiFi-Tuning in Berlin is the unplated "Supreme" fuse. Even better than the predecessor "SilverStar"! The performance exceeded all expectations and the Supreme fuses became a Top Seller! 99% Silver + 1% Gold = 100% Sound Caps and burn wire is made from a Silver/Gold alloy, even the solder (Mundorf) is Gold/Silver, and of course, like all HiFi-Tuning fuses, the "Supremes" are deep cryo treated! HiFi-Tuning Supreme Fuses are availble in many variants - small (5x20mm), large (6.3x32mm), fast blow (F) and slow blow (T) and the price is $59.95 for the small Supreme and $89.95 for the large Supreme." This just in, from Parts Connection, "HiFi-Tuning of Berlin-Germany has released a new highest performing version of their industry-leading fuses called "Supreme". The new line of Supreme fuses is handmade, tip-to-tip of 99% Silver combined with 1% 24k Gold, similar to the material used in the Mundorf Supreme Silver/Gold Capacitors. Mundorf also developed for HiFi-Tuning a special Silver/Gold solder for use in the Supreme fuses. HiFi-Tuning's 99% Silver + 1% Gold melt wire, used exclusively in the Supreme fuses, is resonance-optimized to control vibration. Technical: To understand the advantage of the 99% Silver + 1% Gold combination, think about silver's crystalline structure. The drawing process for silver (or copper) wire causes micro cracks in the surface of the wire. The cooling process also results in imperfect crystal grid structures. Both of these "deformities," relative to the ideal of a perfect conductor, result in surface distortion when current flows through the wire. The addition of 24K gold fills the micro cracks and the empty spaces between the crystal boundaries to improve transmission properties, while also inhibiting the surface oxidation and tarnishing that will occur over time otherwise." cheers, Geoff at Machina Dynamica |
In physics as in all of science we have theories and we also have Laws. Laws cannot be broken except for Newton’s Laws of Motion in the extreme relativity case - they were broken more than 100 years ago. But there are many Laws of science like Boyles Law, electrical Laws like Ohm’s Law, that are more like facts, really, not theories. Black holes are 99% fact, 1% theory. There are many "facts" in science: the speed of light, the speed of sound, Avagadro’s number, the gas constant, Universal Constant, the equivalency of mass and energy (E=mc2). You don’t have to look too far to see a lot of facts. |
daverehab Which is worse -misrepresenting a fact or embellishing your potential results? "Perceptions determine value, and sometimes misconceptions cause prices to become utterly disconnected from the true underlying worth Doubt I'll earn another gold star for this one Probably get a poke in the eye with a sharp stick instead >>>>>Whoa! I'm starting to get a bad feeling. |
Atmasphere Who are these ’naysayers’?? The ones saying they can hear the difference, or the ones that confirm that there is a reason they can hear a difference? I suspect those two groups are not the naysayers... because confirmation isn’t naysaying. Best I can make out, theres only one naysayer on this thread so far... >>>>Whoa! What?! Wow! There is an even bigger chasm than I realized between the naysayers and the proponents. Who are they? Well, one definition is someone who believes that directionality of fuses or wire isn’t the issue, that there’s no such thing as fuse or wire directionality per se and that it’s the fuse holder that causing all the directionality. 😀 |
The whole problem with quantum mechanics these days is that it’s gotten so you can’t find the line separating quantum physics from classical physics. It’s not really correct to say that quantum mechanics is relegated to the very small or minuscule. It’s a dichotomy that Schrodinger’s Cat presents: Can quantum mechanics affect things in the macro world? And does observing collapse the waveform? We have recently seen how the same *quantum superposition* that’s found in the Schrodinger’s Cat experiment was employed by the Chinese scientists in achieving the new world record for quantum teleportation. So, obviously great distances can be involved, although the particles involved were very small, in that case. Unlike old school quantum mechanics view that relegated phenomena to very small distances, e.g., quantum confinement in nanoscale dimensions, I.e., deBroglie wavelength. Is it classical physics? Or is it quantum mechanics? You decide. |
atmasphere Geoffkait: why on Earth would they have even had someone test fuses if not to prove - or at least show evidence - that fuses in general are directional and that HiFi Tuning fuses exhibited better measured characteristics in terms of conductivity than other high end fuses of that time period as well as stock fuses? HiFi Tuning believes in fuse and wire directionality. A much simpler answer is that they want your money and the way they are getting it is by making gold-plated fuses. The marketing rhetoric is of course to separate them from the much less expensive gold plated fuses used in cars. Now, you’re just being silly. If you have a better mousetrap why not advertise it? It’s the difference between reality and hyperbole. Nothing more than that. Naysayers always demand tests and harrumph, harrumph. Here’s someone who actually provided tests - the only ones as far as I can tell - and still they moan and demand and grouse. 😛 |
almarg Geoffkait 7-20-2017 Of course, the real interesting thing in the fuse measurements was that listening tests correlated to measurements, i.e., the best sounding directional was ALWAYS the direction with least resistance. A question: Where do you see that? The only reference to listening tests I see in the HiFi Tuning paper is the following statement, which has nothing to do with directionality: For DC applications it ́s recommended to use the solder type fuse or the cryogenically treated fuses from HiFi-Tuning Germany. The drop in resistance up to the factor of 8 is clearly measurable and also could be detected in listening test. Regards, -- Al >>>>>Al, that’s a good question, but why on Earth would they have even had someone test fuses if not to prove - or at least show evidence - that fuses in general are directional and that HiFi Tuning fuses exhibited better measured characteristics in terms of conductivity than other high end fuses of that time period as well as stock fuses? HiFi Tuning believes in fuse and wire directionality. That’s why they mark their fuses with that diode symbol, so the user can experiment and find out which direction sounds best. So, of course HiFi Tuning obviously believes that the measured data supports their position. Otherwise they would not have published the data. And that the fuse direction that exhibits the lower value for resistance (I.e., higher conductivity) would be the best sounding direction. In their conclusion, they state, "The measurements done so far showed some measurable differences between fuse, but didn ́t explain completely the sonic differences between fuses." That statement shows they believe the directionality measurements correlate with sonic differences (but do not necessarily explain the large sonic differences they heard). As I’ve already indicated many times, there are other variables involved with fuse sonics, fuse directionality is not the only variable. No one ever suggested directionality was the only or even primary variable. One need look no further than the design of many modern aftermarket fuses such as Audio Magic Beeswax fuse and Synergistic Research Black (I.e, Graphene) fuse to see that other factors are involved and addressed, and HiFi Tuning gold and silver fuses and cryo’d fuses obviously address other factors, too. |
Unfortunately, the numbers you cite don’t - by themselves support - HiFi Tuning’s contention in their Interpretation of Measurements section that the differences are around 5%, or in the range of 5%, whatever. Those 4 relatively high numbers are OUTLIERS and can be thrown out. In fact, HIFI TUNING cautions AGAINST using glass fuses, IIRC. Most differences on the data sheets are, by far, an order of magnitude lower than 5%. End of argument. It should also be pointed out we ALREADY KNOW that directionality is only ONE VARIABLE involved with fuses sounding the way they do. Which is why folks often report aftermarket fuses sounding better than stock fuses right away, even when NOT installed in the right direction. Shall we review all the fuse variables? Of course, the real interesting thing in the fuse measurements was that listening tests correlated to measurements, i.e., the best sounding directional was ALWAYS the direction with least resistance. It’s NOT random. Also note fuse holders were NOT used in the fuse measurements per se but their resistance measurements appears separately. So, we can dispense with the fuse holder argument. This is all starting to look like a case of not seeing the forest for the trees. If the glove doesn’t fit you must acquit. |
zavato OP To the people here on Audiogon that have seen me post from time to time over the years please accept my apologies. I’m really not a sh*t stirrer. I never intended or expected or dreamed that this thread would ignite passions the way it has. I’m sorry! To the folks that have had strokes or heart attacks because of this thread, please go listen to some chill music. To the people who have put up reasoned posts, I suggest walk away and whistle, don’t worry, look at the bright side of life. To those on the sidelines, hopefully you won’t need to buy anymore popcorn. Translation: "I didn’t do nothin’." |
Al, if they had wished to say what you’re assuming they were saying, they would simply have said, in the range 0-5%. That’s a range. One number is not a range. However, there is no difference in the data sheets for resistance more than about 0.5%. Thus, your interpretation makes no sense, even allowing for language differences. You could be pulling my leg. Is this a lawyer trick? 😀 |
almarg Geoff, regarding your question just above, in one of my posts here yesterday I had quoted the following statement I made in an earlier fuse-related discussion: ... all or nearly all of the directional differences in resistance were vastly smaller than 5%, with the exception of the "standard glass fuse." However, note that what the paper says is "the difference is in the range of 5%," not "generally around 5%." Differences that are "vastly smaller than 5%" are WITHin the range of 5%. So their statement is arguably accurate, although highly misleading. Regards, -- Al Are you pulling my leg, Al? In the range of 5% means exactly the same thing as generally around 5%. Therefore, their statement is not accurate at all. In fact, as I already pointed out, ALL measured differences were about an order of magnitude less than 5%. NONE were anywhere near 5% so YOUR INTERPRETATION MAKES NO SENSE. If things were as you say then they could have said "in the range of of 10%%, fortifying their argument. Apparently I was correct, you never read the HiFi Tuning data sheets carefully. Oh, well.... What’s bizarre, funny and ironic all at the same time is that you would pick an argument on this point since, you know, it kind of supports your position, not mine. Hel-loo! 😀 If the glove doesn’t fit you must acquit. have a nice day |
Sidebar: How small can something be and still make a noticeable improvement? I gather most objections to the proposition that fuses can’t make a difference and that fuses can’t be directional have to do with the idea that fuses are just too small to make any significant difference. The fuse size is too small, the wire is too small. Which leads to my question. How many things can you think of that are very small and yet improve the sound? We can start off with tiny little bowls the diameter of which are around 7/8" or 1" and the PWB Silver Holographic Foil that is a mere 1/8" by 0.75" and Marigo VTS dots that are as small as 1/16" diameter. |
timlub @geoffkait You may think that its pretty obvious, but in cable manufacturing that isn’t the case.... Impedance, DC resistance, inductance, capacitance, skin effect all come into the effect of a cable.... Of course here we are speaking of a simple wire, maybe I shouldn’t assume that a tasty gourmet fuse would have more than simple DC resistance as a parameter. >>>>You might possibly be overthinking this. I never said it was that simple. Obviously other factors/parameters are involved but fuses always sound best when the resistance is minimum, I.e., conductivity is highest. You can forget about the other parameters. Were you seriously considering measuring skin effect? 😀 I think you would probably agree there are many parameters involved with testing fuses other than the fuse parameters themselves, no? Parameters involved with the test itself. I suggest you take a gander at the data sheets for fuse measurements on the HiFi Tuning website which are linked to somewhere on this thread. By the way, when it comes to fuses nothing makes "all the sense in the world." |
All aftermarket fuses are not priced at $100. One is $175. So what? Don’t be a knucklehead. Some aftermarket fuses are much less? Some are $20, some are $5. So what? Of course price is not the subject of this thread. Who cares? Like anything else in the hobby prices vary. For anything you can name prices vary all over the place. So what? If you want to listen to cheap junk that’s your prerogative. |
Atmosphere, if you’re pretending to be dense you’re doing an excellent job. Don’t you get it, we’ve already eliminated all of your cable directionality causes. It's the wire itself. Nobody said there aren't other issues like shielding. As the Audioquest dude said you have to be aware of al of them and deal with them, CONTROL them, accordingly. Capish? |
atmasphere Not to make too fine a point of it, but has anyone here noticed that I have confirmed by measurement that if you place the fuse in backwards that you may indeed hear a difference? >>>Let me help you out. What we are actually saying is that not only is there a difference between one way and the other but that it’s PREDICTABLE which way will sound better than the other - when you control the manufacturing process. There is no backwards or forwards! Didn’t you read the Audioquest paper? That’s why we say fuses are directional. That’s why we say ALL WIRE is directional. It’s because of the wire manufacturing process that the wire becomes "directional." So, it’s not just that it SOUNDS DIFFERENT, it SOUNDS BETTER one way than the other. and it's predictable if you control the process. That’s the whole point. We don’t even have to get into the atomic physics of why that’s true. Does that help? Now, cable manufacturers who mark their cables with arrows obviously control the manufacturing process. Not so sure fuse manufacturers control the process of fuse manufacture, which is not really a problem since the user can simply try any fuse both ways and pick the direction that sounds best. And for cables and interconnects that aren’t marked with arrows then obviously the user should try both directions and see which one is best. |
On the data sheets they use m for milli, as in when they write m Amp. One assumes the commas are just the convention in Germany. You know, HiFi Tuning is German. Now, correct me if I’m wrong but in the interpretation of measurements section on the HiFi Tuning data sheets that I posted the other day the statement is made that the differences in resistance between one direction and another of fuses is generally around 5%. I’m not seeing that; what I’m actually seeing is almost an order of magnitude less than 5%. Agree/disagree? Talk amongst yourselves. Smoke if ya got em. |
tubegroover Yeah I read it Ralph and am mystified why Geoff didn’t acknowledge it in his explanation which completely avoided it. It is a truism in audio that MANY things can affect sound, often in quite subtle ways, some more profound, of that i’m a witness . Unfortunately it is often taken as a monetary opportunity for some that make their livelihood by exploiting for profit, sometimes substantial, the differences. Geoff wouldn’t you agree that Audioquest has a vested interested in promoting "truthful hyperbole"? It’s all about marketing savvy and understanding the customer. Hundred dollar fuses, really?😂 That’s got to be the dumbest thing anyone said so far. What possible financial motive would Audioquest have in promoting cable and wire directionality? Heck, most audiophiles are like you and don’t believe it anyway, and wouldn’t buy it because you think it’s a scam. But to further destroy your silly argument Audioquest is by no means the only cable manufacturer selling directional cables. In fact any cable manufacturer that wants to compete for audiophile dollars must certainly be aware of directionality and actually mark their cables accordingly. Anti Cables obviously, Goertz, and I’m sure many others. Not only that almost all high end cable manufacturers cryogenically treat their cables. Why? To be able to compete. So what have we learned here. It’s performance that drives the market of cables not hyperbole. Duh! |
bdp24 - Well, if I can be so bold at least we now know Roger Modjeski must be deaf if he can’t hear the difference in fuses. He’s deaf and stubborn. Amp manufacturers! Harumph! Uh, Mr. Smarty Pants - Why should there be ANY difference whatsoever in measured resistance if fuses are not directional? They should measure exactly equal. He’ll-loo! None of you Barko Lounger experts have figured that one out, eh? Besides, HiFi Tuning acknowledges the differences in measured resistance don't compor entirely with the sonic differences. It's a Strawman argument on your part to put words in anyone's mouth that anyone thinks there must be some other, as yet unexplained, reason for the sometimes great difference in the sound between fuses and between directions. |
bdp24 and reubent - sorry, fellers, you’re following the wrong sheep. Exhibit A, the page on wire directionality on the Audioquest website, is linked below. Read em and weep. Excerpt: "In one direction, the music will sound relatively flat and a little grainy, as though being forced through a screen door. In the opposite direction, the obstruction is removed and music will be communicated with a natural ease, depth, and an open invitation to pleasure. When presented with a cable whose conductors have been controlled for the correct low-noise directionality, a listener feels a sense of comfort and relief: Ahh…Music!" See the entire article here, http://www.audioquest.com/directionality-its-all-about-noise/ Who ya gonna believe, a few hearing impaired renegades and naysayers or the head of the most successful high end cable company in history? If the glove doesn’t fit you must acquit. 😀 |
