This is the kind of testimony i am looking for, as i have no experience with FR, only know that FR's have *some issues*.
No I really did not want a xover, and the Exotics are a bit out my price range at $700'ea USA dealer, but I can get them at $500/swedish dealer.
I will now take a close look at the Mark Audio Fr you mention.
The amp layout, late next yr, is taking most of this 2nd system budget. I already havea Jadis Defy 7 + about to add a cayin SC6 tube pre, and will upgrade my SEAS Thors with Mundorf silver oil along with 2 massive Gold Silver i bought off ebay,,madisound will build new xovers employing all new parts, so my 2020 budget is about blown on that project + I plan to upgrade caps in the cayin and jadis. ...in fact,,i may have to push the 845/FR dream 2nd system off to 2021.
I'm in research mode right now.
Thanks for this important testimoney to help in the decision.
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~~~~I;m back~~~ In 5 minutes~~~, Not sure how i missed these Mark Audio on madisound, as i looked over nearly everything FR on Madisound,,,,carefully,,,or was it a case of tunnel vision, as i am a huge fan of SEAS only, and could not consider anything other than.
The Mark Audio Alpair 12P8 is really interesting, and this will be my choice, and the clincher here is, well affordable, making ~~The 2nd Dream System~~~ a closer reality.
As soon as i dump my cayin MT and chinese pre, both at a 50%+ loss, i will regroup and get the Mark Audio 8 inch,,,play around with that on my jadis Defy. I see the MA is rated 90 db,,not too efficient fora FR. But if as you say,,all the funny things with whizzers and break up is not there with the MA, this will mean no xover, just straight muisc.
I mean, we have cd players/pre/amps,,,then xover in a FR??? The FQ;'s are being pulverized to a mush.
I may end of liking the FR over the SEAS Thors...will bea good shootout.
Thanks for your suggestion, would have certainly overlooked this fantastic looking Mark Audio 8.
No I do not plan to push the vol of the Defy, nor do i listen to harsh rock.
This will get very interesting,,hopefully YT has some vids on this MA 8.
Thanks
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Mark Fenlon is british, I really hate all american and bristih products,,across the board,,,cdp's, amps, speakers,,,
In this YT vid, when asked which lab he most respects,,stubbornly he comes out with another brit lab,,wharfdale,,i hate that speaker,,,
sorry, but I am SEAS die hard, The Danes are the kings in speakers, and i'm going back to my original idea, staying with SEAS..Now i will admit, the whizzer has to g,,,, need to ck which FR/no whizzer avalibale in SEAS and also the japenese offerings on ebay.
again appreciate your imput as it helps me to xout some, and focus on others.
My plan is to hit a grand slam on 1st purchase. |
FEASTREX FR bid on ebay, best sounding speaker inm the world, bar none. Open bid $7K. well worth it.
Ck out the YT vid on the sound of that FR. super unreal, just how i like it, super crystal clear, tons of timber and glistenings on the top, mids bright and lively. |
Yes the ebay seller is Davidlouis, , He has some very nice drivers, I was going to go with this as a 2nd system from his site 6.5 FR NEO magnet at $279.88/pair + Beryllium BE Neo Flagship tweet @ $215.88/pr.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/pair-2-unit-HiEND-8inch-fullrange-speaker-97db-PK-lowther-KO-fostex/322086949721
But after researching all night, since last post,,,YT vids by the dozens, going betwix SEAS site, Madisounds site, YT and thinkin,,thinkin,,,figureing out,,,hummm, heard some Scan Spaeks, of course not their Illuminato tweet,,just their Illuminato Mid bas,,,got to thinkin...honestly, I've always been a SEAS fan-atic and most likely will be to the end. Don't get me wrong, Scan are world class drivers, But then,,,so is SEAS. So back to SEAS it is,,,now here's one no one brought up,,,, ~~~Coaxil~~~~ Yep, The old car speaker we all remember from the 70's...well i see SEAS offesr a home model ~~C18EN002/A. its a 2nd gen speaker, There is no midbas, its classed by SEAS a low midrange/indepentent tweet,,, here's the clinger...has my Neo magnet. Besides its really cool looking... ~~~ so tahts seals the deal. Going with the SEAS Coaxil C18EN002/a. Now i havea Cayin pre on Santa's wish list,,well actually , it'll come early 2020...has 2 pre outs,,so i can have the Jadis defy to the C18EN Coaxil and the other pre out to the dayton sub amp/Cerwin Vega 10 inch picked up off ebay cheap/single/sub cabinet all 3 like under $200!!!!!, so finally i will have some low fq's comming in, with my classical orch muisc, finally!!!!. OK, so the Coaxil's carry the 200-20K fq's, the Cerwin Vega the 20hz-300 hz. Sound like a winning game plan?, I think the coaxil eliminates all the issues/hangups one encounters with the so called *full range*. The lower fq's tend to break up the cone resonances and drowns out the low mids,,muffling, jumbling, mixing, mashing, pulverizing all the fq's up in one big south louisiana gumbo. So now we have ~~~Speaker system Two~~~ figured out,,,opening the door for a 845 amp i am looking at,,,late 2020...back to ~~~Speaker One Sytem~~~ The 18 yr old thors,,can't forget those gems... OK, Madisound rebuilds the xovers,,,I will send thema pair of Mundorf Gold Silver 10 uf caps i snaged off Ebay,,, they are GIGANTIC,,and super heavy, really surprised me,,the other caps in the xover will employ Silver Oil, abd mundorksm R Resist resitors. , Low bass driver in this MTM design gets Mundorfs cheaper line the Supreme,,,low bass needs no pizzaz of silver in the caps. Plus, lets get rid of the low bass W18 and add the newest of the Excel, The Graphene 8 inch, the W19,,,hummm, not sure as they go for $500 a pop
http://www.seas.no/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=566:e0076-08s-w19nx001&catid=49:excel-woofers&Itemid=359
maybe hang with the old W18,,as the Cerwin carries the lower FQ,s why add the W19?, Well I think we havea good game plan here. Upgrade Speakers Sytem One,,,add a Coaxil SEAS Speaker System Two. Open for ideas/suggestions~~~~ |
OK, SEAS offers a speaker kit, for the coaxil/paired witha 12 inch aluminum sub...which i do not need, however on the page you can see the xover needed to make the coaxil work. has 3 caps, C1 3.9 C2 12.8 C3 6.8 cking Madisounds prices on Mundorf Silver Oil 10uf $139 ea + 2 uf @ $49/ea + 3.3 uf @ $39/ea + 8.2uf @ $119?ea,, ,,so where are we at on the budget,,,hummm, 140+50+40+120 =,,,,^^lets see,,,thats 200,,,90...60...call it $400 ea as we will need coils/resistors etc etc ,,,ETC!!!!!, so,
http://www.seas.no/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=496:seas-kingro4y-mk-ii&catid=66:seas-diy-kits&Itemid=365
~~~so $500/ea coaxil + $400/ea xover = $900,,,i like to round out my numbers in thsi hobby,,,= $1K/ea,,not including cabinets,,which is quite easy, /cheap, get any old cab at the thrift store, pop in the coaxil..waaaalaaaaa. X's 2 = $2K. ...hummmmm, maybe we should all rethink this design/idea. My budget was no more than $1K. ....has to be Seas, i am not going for those super nice looking japenese *full* range. I need a SEAS design that superior's the Thors, MTM. Ok, lets go back to the basics. Lets say i can up the budget for you guys, give you another $500, thats $1500 for your budget. So lets stay witha simply 2 way. I have been eyeing those new Graphene for some time now, the day they came out in fact,,
http://www.seas.no/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=566:e0076-08s-w19nx001&catid=49:excel-woofers&Itemid=359
Now lets add a tweeter, I am going to stay with the Millenium,,,no we already have that tweet in the Thors,,,hummm, OK, lets utilize SEAS latest creation. the Beryllium/Neo magnet tweet.
http://www.seas.no/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=495:e0058-06-t29b001&catid=50:excel-tweeters&Itemid=360
T29 OK someone add up what we have so far W19Graphene + T29 beryllium/Neo magnet. ,,,my guess is we are at near $1K,,and we ain't even got to the xover....,,,hummmm, tell you what, lets put this ~~~Dream~~~ 2nd Speaker System~~~ on the Santa's wish list for late 2020. What I need you guys to do is watch for any used W19Grap/T35Beryllium units to pop up on ebay, used/cheap, make the offer, buy it, i'll give you a finders fee. I'll talk with Madisound's designers and find out what we will need in the xover. SEAS has a gold mine of opportunity, but they just sit there and test drivers all day..,,,they should stop testing and start connecting the drivers in a kit. .I mean, a W19 graphene married to a Beryllium T35, no speaker could touch the sound. Heck, that combo could draw so fast at the shootout, like GunSmoke, knock 10 speakers off even before they get a few FQ's out the box. Surely gonna put my Thors out. been researching all day since 6 am,,,finally, 12+ hours later,,,we got the design. Thoughts/opinions welcome~~~~ |
Yes, well i can get the Exotic 8 froma swedish dealer for $500. madisound wants $800. ,,,anyway,,i figured out my speaker for System Two.
Guy on ebay sells a clone of the scan speak neo Illuminato tweet, Best tweet in the world, Neo magnet makes speakers sing like no othermagnet, ck out the YT video on neo magnets' strength to draw power away from amp to the driver,
Truly a revelation. If it does not havea neo mag, i am not interested,,,well although my SEAS Thor has been champs for these past 18 yrs, Richard Grew down here in New Orleans soldiered the xover wires back in 2002,,,,time to move on.
No I've not herad the scan Illuminator's vs the Excel Millenium's, which have been champs in all tweets past 15+ yrs,,seems this Scan Neo tweet, Illuminator will most certainly give SEAS a run for its FQ's...My hunch is Scan speak will shoot out the SEAS at 1st pop.
Now for the lower FQ's, Going witha japenese FR, 6.5, same seller that offers the SCan speak clone.
Has a whizzer,,,I don't like the FR w/o the whizzzer,, and the FR 6.5 is the limit,,the 5 is the IDEAL size/, but the 6,5 has the neo magnet.
I need a xover for this pairing. anyone know who makes xover designs? Other than madisound, as i am not purchasing the drivers from them. Only the xover parts.
The Scan tweet is the Beryllium BE which i am refering to.
has the neo.
I will need a xover design service for this pairing. Something very simple,,,madisounds' xover for the Illuminator kit looks to me wayyyyyy over done.
For a 2 way, thats alottttt of parts. More parts = more interference with the driver's intentional voicing.
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@ Elliott Yes I was aware the 300B has its limitations on low , deep bass, , at least on most speakers,,,92db+ is my guess best for 300B tube. I am thinking to add a 845/300B amp, Either the Line magentic 517, big brother to the 217 @$2K or the Cayin 845/300b @ $3K. I am hoping either will drive the highly INEFFICIENT Thors rated 87 bd. I would hate to adda 845 and the sound is anemic/dull/flat in full orchestra, As that amp can not be shipped back to china fora refund = both weigh in at over 60 lbs. and I would hate to attempt to sell the amp on ebay ata 30%+ reduction. Shipping, as you know has gone wayyy up with FEDEX.~~~ 70 lbs = $275 ship. I've never heard livea 845, only via YT. Most of the 845 vids on Yt have horrible sounding speakers,,,speaking of which,,,have you guys seen the JADIS room YT upload ata LV show??? Jadis has the worst sounding speakers IN THE WHOLE WORLD. Also there is a YT upload with the Jadis 200 monos, + Jadis' 4 chassis pre,,,what a most horrific/disgusting sound,,,not sure if it is the speakers or the jadis. Calss F sound. No wait its the Jadis 500 monos, each weighing in at over 120 lbs each (a bit exxagerated , but only bya few ozs = yeah i am bashing jadis, although i do know they make the worlds best sounding intergrateds, yet very expensive) Jadis 500, puke sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4lhlNppo3w
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