Fletcher-Munson - Random Variables and You


We have regular discussions about loudness controls, and Fletcher-Munson curves here, so I thought it would be interesting to use that to talk about the problem with testing and human variability.

To simplify, the Fletcher-Munson curve comes from a paper in 1933 which showed that as volume goes down, our hearing changes. It gets worse at the edges and more pronounced int he midrange. A general overview is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour

Now, this is science, and I’m sure they did the best they could, but FM as have the multiple studies after them, have come to different values for these curves (but they agree in principle). What’s worse, the loudness curves are different for front hearing (speakers) than side-hearing (headphones).


Why should we care? Well, these curves are all averages, gathered over samples that are probably not that random. I mean, how many women, how many people over 65, and how many from the Australian outback were tested? Your personal F-M curve I guarantee is different from the curves published by F-M or the studies after. These curves are derived from random samples, they are not indicative of any actual person’s hearing.


So... this means that as we listen to and buy equipment, we need to understand that our own hearing is not like anyone elses. What we are sensitive to, and what we spend money on is different and that’s what it means to be human. For instance, I’m really sensitive to frequency response and room acoustics. I am completely insensitive to absolute phase and phase shift in the speaker.


We are all different and I hope we can all make room for science and engineering as well as the fact that what brings us joy and pleasure of ownership is going to vary a great deal. An average measurement from a study may not tell us a thing about you individually.

Best,

E
erik_squires

Showing 2 responses by roberttdid

People are different, and yet when Toole and Harmon did their big study on speakers, there was a really high correlation for preference. Most people, liked almost exactly the same thing, or at least rated the same things as "superior" for audio quality.

I think there is a difference between what tweaks our short term mood, and what we like long term/repeatable. Get in the car after the kids drive, and some times that extra bass sounds good ... for about 10-15 minutes till it sounds unnatural.  If all you know is excessive bass, you may come to think of that as "normal". If have come to know and like neutral, then not-neutral will not sound right.

I don't know I am "sensitive" to room acoustics, but spending a career on acoustic, I can walk into most setups, from an audiophiles basement to a large venue and pick up what is wrong, and once you identify it, it can become hard to ignore.
I think what you are describing Mijostyn is not phase sensitivity but out of phase cancellation of two distinct sources. This is usually a worse issue when subs are colocated with the mains.