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I agree that some ARC gear sounds better than other ARC gear.  I have used their preamps since the 1980s and their DACs.  I found much better DACs. I think their preamps are some of the best around.  I like the sound of the DAugostino preamp (the really expensive one) better but not enough for the cost difference.  I have found ARC preamps to be very reliable.  Since the 1980s I have had to send just one preamp in for repair.  It turned out to be a broken wire in the umbilical of my SP-15 preamp.  I used a SP-6b for 14 years and the SP-15 for 18 years.  I had a SP-9 for a year or two.  It didn't do much for me.  Currently using the Ref 5SE.  Yes, the 6550C runs very hot and that worries me.  I have good clearance over the top of the preamp to allow plenty of airflow.  I don't run that tube more than 2000 hours.

I hope that ARC is able to recover.  It all depends on how much the new owner is willing to invest and how long the new owner is willing to wait for a return on that investment.  I watched MF's video tour of the factory made last week.  Looks like they have lost some engineering/technical talent.  I also noticed they are struggling to release their new high powered Ref tube amp that was slated to come out about a year ago.  The company will be treading water for a while mostly building current product and service support.  Supply chain is a huge challenge these days and consumes engineering support to work with suppliers and replace discontinued items needed for production.  Provided the new owner invests and ramps up hiring it will still be several years before they are able to release new products.  Will the market be patient enough to wait?

I hope they do not outsource the engineering work.  Perhaps they do already.  It is a trend that has been growing for a few decades now.  I argued to management that the engineers are not a commodity, that they are the product- the heart and soul of the product.  But the engineering work load rises and falls depending on the state of the projects and new business.  Engineers get pushed to work overtime (unpaid mostly) when demand is up but then get laid off as soon as the workload drops.  Management really likes the idea of contracting the work out to low cost countries and having the flexibility to increase/decrease headcount on demand.  Over the long term innovation is lost, the product itself becomes a commodity- ie. no differentiation in the market and sales decline.  Eventually the company or that product line ceases to exist.  I’ve seen it several times now over the years.  The worst part is that the cycle continues.

It always started with sending out drawing/design work.  Drafting and design drawings are time consuming.  Outsourcing was the easy way to relieve the pressure.  The thing is the competitor’s drawings are being worked on by a designer one seat over.  Second, this outsourcing house most likely has never touched or held the product in their hand, let alone see how it is made. 

Some pretty harsh critics on this thread.  ARC is a storied brand with a long pedigree for an electronics manufacturer.  I much prefer putting my money in a well known brand with a good reputation for service long after the sale.  I myself am reticent to purchase ultra hifi for big bucks from relatively new brands with little to no history.  Seems a risky venture.

Yes, we have seen the demise of some big names in hifi over the past decade or two as owner/founders failed to carry on their legacy.  It is making choices difficult for us hifi enthusiasts compounded by the lack of shops carrying high end audio.  I look at some high end manufacturers' websites and find even the most notable names have merely a handful of stores/dealers across the country.

So shallow to value looks over quality of sound.  I heard the Acora speakers at the 2022 Axpona in Tampa.  I almost walked past the giant room with the two diminutive speakers until I heard music coming from them.  They sound spectacular.  

I was using Yamaha gear in the 1980s up until I heard an ARC preamp.  The Yamaha gear was very attractive and sophisticated looking.  I recall at the time thinking about how plain the ARC preamp looked in comparison.  A flat silver face, four knobs, a couple of green lights and some toggles that didn't really compare to the more flashy gear at the time- and some with colorful fluorescent displays.  I grew to appreciate the industrial look and incredible sound.  ARC preamps' beauty is on the inside.

I'd say you can't see the gear in the dark but my system has so much resolution and detail that it creeps me out if I try to listen in total darkness now.  It feels like people are moving around in the room.  

Agree that everyone has different tastes.  ARC is a force and major player in the Hifi industry- of that there is no doubt.  We have lost too many icons in Audio already.  Hate to lose another.