Field coil dava cartridge

@newtoncr   : Maybe re-start from zero the cartridge/tonearm set up and with different alignment. A cleaning every connector: pin connectors and IC cables input/output connectors sometimes could help to improve quality performance.

 

R.

 

@newtoncr   100 ohms is rigth  for the Anna. It's a little weird that in its site the Tosca picture tonearm is with the Ortofon Anna mounted.

Kuzma and the Tosca are way different tonearm designs and both very good tonearms and for those differences ( including its. EL. ) have different  developed "tonal color " but I can see that the Anna shows not be " confortable " with either tonearms due that graded as and 8 on quality performance.

 

Anyway, each one of us has a little different MUSIC reproduction targets and different kind of priorities.

R.

 

 

Dear @mijostyn  : " SUTs are a waste of time when you have a phono stage like the CH. "

You are rigth, any SUT in that CH only helps to degrade in several ways the senssible and high vauable MUSIC cartridge signal.  It has no sense to do it.

 

@newtoncr  , maybe the Ortofon  in other tonearm could performs a little better, you can try an interchange between the Anna and the  Dava tonearms.

 

@mijostyn  in the CH you can connect 3 LOMC cartridges all stages active high gain: two of them in current mode and the other stage voltge one.

 

R.

 

 

Dear @newtoncr  : Well I think that you have the Anna diamond Ortofon recomendation that's higher than 10ohm and the cartridge it self is not sensitive ( as any LOMC cartridge ) to impedance changes if sounds different changing the impedance then that " problem " comes by the phono stage design.

 

A SUT goes totally against the Ortofon or any other LOMC and you don't need that instead the direct CH high gain stage be changed not only for the SUT but those additional input/output/solder joints and IC cables where the cartridge signal mus pass through and don't forget the SUT internal construction/wire.

 

If I was you I just forgeret about the SUT. Obviously is up to you but there is no active/sut combination that can outperforms your CH active high gain stage.

 

R.

@bonzo75  : That gentlemasn with the MS 8000's I think had the terrible 3012 tonearms on it, so that Viger like it is not something that could prove Vyger superiority.

 

You can be sure that the REGA RP-10 is superior and everything the same could outperform the Vyger.

 

It's not weird that in your bolg system and along the " top " audiophiles ( ? ? ) in wbf the RP-10 just does not appears and I think is because first its price tag is not over 50K and second because it does not in sale by kilogram price as the Vyger or As-200 or Clearaudio or AF 1 and the like.and third  it does not shines as gold/silver and the friends of the owners can't say: WOW when look the REGA instead the " heaVY METAL " THEY ARE ACCUSTOM TO.

Maybe could be another reasons that you could think justify that kind of " audiophiles " attitude.

 

Look, in the MF review of the SAT XD 1 TT with a price tag over 280K and with almost same cartridges on both this is what MF said about the Rega RP 10  with its humble price tag of only . 6K  ! !   

 

" The XD1 shares some sonic characteristics with Rega's revolutionary RP 10 turntable: ultrafast, clean transients throughout the audible frequency range; tight, fast bass; revealing midrange transparency; and overall sonic stability and focus. All these characteristics result, apparently, from careful attention paid to structural rigidity and the removal or prevention of unwanted vibrational energy. "

 

I know very well the RP10 and could be a challenge for any of those " heavy metal " ones that you and your audio friends touted so much.

 

What do you think about?

 

R.

Dear @bonzo75  : 

"  seems to assume and state other people’s preference without knowing their experiences to suit his theories. "

 

Ok then, please tell us about those vintage Sony cartridges because this is what I posted, not about AT listen.

Btw, difference with AT cartridges is that all AT models has not that high FR deviations and along are very good trackers.

I know you are in love with those FR deviation levels, nothing wrong with that but that you can't compare a heavy colored sound vs a more accurated one that can put you nearer to the recording. Seems to me that almost no single LP recording comes with that high FR deviations as your cartridge in love.

 

Now, about the LT tonearms as the Vyger you need technical why can't even a good tonearm/cartridge combination in the bass frequency range when in other frequency range theeeeLT are better than pivoted ones. From mid-bass down the LT can't do it with the same aplomb and quality level than a good cartridge/pivoted combination.

Other issue with your Viger experiences is that almost always you were listening through tube electronics and mainly through horn speakers and even when you experienced with dynamic speakers and SS amp the system owner uses a tube phono stage. Always high colored kind of sound, again nothing wrong with that.

 

Btw, you posted:

"  with most linear trackers, there is insufficient bass, authority and weight as compared to pivots. It is only with Vyger and CS Port that I hear bass and weight, and this could be a function of the platter, the air pressure, or both. "

Yes, air pressure is critical but everything the same TT platter is only one part of the whole TT design and extremely difficult to aisle it.

You posted that an owner of two MS8000 changed it for two Viger but those MS TT are almost reference of nothing due that are a faulty design but very good looking units .

You blog is named: Zero Distortion  and I applaud your heavy efforts through several years to post all what it's in the blog and you did it and do very detailed with excellent photos and very good looking room/systems choosed where many of us can learn about audio items that some of us ( like  me ) never knew of it. Congratulations with that, it's perfect blog well nothing is perfect and I would like that sooner or latter your experiences can honor your blog name.

bonzo, I think that try that " things " been around an equilibrium is really the name of the game because " extremes " means more and more less an almost nothing.

Equilibrium between objectivity and subjectivity should works better/best for any one of us, just an opinion.

 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.

Dear @mijostyn : Sure Audio Technica can do that. As a fact this is not its first diamond cantilever model, many years ago I owned the AT 1000 ( in the 70’s. ) that had a very low output level of 0.1mv with very low internal resistance even at the same time AT developed a dedicated SUT ( t1000 ) that I owned too and was really good with 8kg. on weigth. AT is second to none but a very low profile in the high-end and with to low true price tags in its models. The AT came wit its dedicated headshell and that " dedicated " is something real because that headshell you can't use with any other cartridge due that the AT1000 top plate was shaped not flat ( the Ortofon dedicated headshells in some of its models are just universal headshells, not like the AT 1000).

Just imagine if that 60th anniversary model instead AT manufacture came with the Nagra name, you can be sure that its price tag will be at least around 30K-40K.

R.

Dear @mikelavigne ​@bonzo75 : Here it’s an Audio Technica cartridge design celebrating the 60th AT Anniversary . I know that for both of you and several audiophiles AT could means almost " nothing " but I have a deep and wide first hand experiences with almost all the AT MM and LOMC designs because I owned and still own some of them in the same that with the AT Signet division models that are even better than the AT ones.

 

Things are that the AT design 60th anniversary they decided to make only 60 samples and guess what: in less than 10 days disappeared/sold and unfortunatelly I arrived just late to own my sample.

All the owners not even have the opportunity to listen it they just bougth because is AT ( I never listened an AT cartridge that sounds bad including its AT95 with a price tag of 120.00 that’s better that you can imagine. ) and because is great design where they really are celebrating when choosed that the diamond cantilever and stylus be builded from ONE diamond piece where the stylus is not attached to the cantilever but is integral part with the cantilever and this is UNIQUE today for say the least and an achievement.

I hope that AT can decide to build a new set with at least 500 cartridges.

Last time the audio world seen a cartridge with one diamond cantilever/stylus one piece was in 1980 and that kind of challenge was made it by Sony with it 88D model and I’m almost sure that both of you never had the opportunity to listen it or even know Sony as a top LOMC manufacturer. I still own two Sony different models and are great performers.

 

Anyway here it’s the Audio Technica that was mentioned in other thread. Only for your records Nagra designed a cartridge with a price tag over 18K ( the Audio Technica is only: 9K. ) but Nagra gentlemans are not specialist in cartridges and choosed not diamond or boron as the cantilever but Ruby/titanium where that sole characteristics for the gentlemans that know about cartridges makes not even turn their face to see the Nagra that between other things has around 14.5grm. on weigth so figure. Btw Nagra comes with the same stylus shape that top Ortofon and VDH.

 

 

 

Other true advantage with the Audio Technica is that’s a very good tracker, here there are " no errors ". @mijostyn I don’t think AT will buil that cartridge with low internal impedance as you like but it’s not necessary for maybe no other gentleman but you.

 

R.

Dear @mijostyn  : There is no perfect tonearm and always exist trade-offs but no LT tonearm I owned or listened in a well know system can't even the kind /rigthness of bass range that has a pivoted (non-unipivot design. ) tonearm and it's rigth there where the foundation of MUSIC belongs/lives in a home system: as better the bass mangement of a room/system as better the overall quality performance reproduction levels of that room/system.

I could think that Mike is aware of it as other gentlemans too.

 

R.

Dear @intactaudio : Seems that your post is more a one to hit me than to enhance the issue under discussion.

 

" for someone who insists on 0.1dB riaa accuracy for hi-fi, you sure seem to have a very loose definition of the word "significant" "

 

You can’t compare what significance has the eq. RIAA against a tonearm tracking error. Everything the same you can’t detect/aware of a 0.1° tracking distortion or the difference at most inner groove of only 0.01° tracking error.

 

"" I do not believe the "weighted" distortion measurements derived from the formulas is actually representative of the sonic penalty angular mistracking error can cause. ""

That’s only a " believe " that means almost nothing. Why not try to modeling the issue and come back with your certainty conslusions and in this way all of us can learn about.

 

 

" I generally trust arguments formulated from the listening chair "

 

That’s a subjective " anecdotic " opinion that can’t prove nothing for other people with different ears and different systems. Yes , maybe measures do not say all what is happening down there but always are facts and not " believes ". Remember that ears is a way limited " tool " that is didifferent in any human been.

 

R.

@mijostyn  : Maximum distortion difference between null points is only 0.1% if alignment accuracy is 100%: zero tolerance.

 

 

R.

 

and I said 0° because near and in between both null points the difference is so negligible that is useless to take it in count.

 

R.

Dear @mijostyn : you are rigth, the 12" against a 10" EL tonearm in reality makes almost insignificant " improve " in tracking error. Using Löfgren A alignment IEC:

 

high tracking error in 12" is 1.4° at 146mm ( outer groove) and from 120mm. to 66mm is 0°and at most inner groove ( 60mm ) is 0.56°

in the 10" is 1.65° at most outer groove and 0° from 119mm to 66mm and at most inner groove is 0.57°

 

All those with 100% accuracy in the alignment but any tiny inaccuracy in the alignment makes that the 12" error gone way higher than in a short tonearm.

 

Nothing justify a longer tonearm other that the " no sense ": " I like it " or just ignorance. In the other side a longer tonearm develops higher resonances/vibrations/self distortions ( everything the same. ).

 

R.

Dear @bonzo75 : Good for Darius and bad for the MUSIC.

 

Look, I´m not against you, Darius, Mike or any one else in the overall cartridge topic. Difference is that after my cartridge and Mike " new " system research I seen mainly the high inaccuracy in the FR cartridge response that because that fact goes against MUSIC.

I’m not too against the fact that you, Mike and all the other gentlemans in that true " stampede " like it because for me that " like it " that even that does not has objective justification at the end is what you like and I respect that.

 

R.

 

 

Dear @mikelavigne  : First I anever post something " teasing " some other gentleman, it's not my style/way of thinking. Maybe to serious about critical audio issues.

If you posted that is because you really know that gentleman way of " life ". No problem, I will delete my posts and will change it.

 

R.

Dear @jeff1225  : " It was the least expensive 12" tonearm when I wanted a 12" 15 years ago. "

Things are that I owned several vintage 12" tonearms, it looks really good. I learned several things why not use 12" ( even that today there are audiophiles enjoying 14" tonearm. ).

I owned both SAEC top of its line: the 506-30 ( that was designed not for home system but for radio stations.) and the WE-8000 the build quality level on both tonearms was and is second to none but unfortunatelly not only are 12" but with a double-knife bearing ( 3012: knife-ball. ). I owned too the FR-66 and the little shorter MAX-282 that is one of the best tonearms even today, Audiocraft AC-4400, etc.

 

Could be that you already read this SAT explanation about ( Dava goes against my syatem MUSic/audio targets and not curious to listen it. IF at random I will have the ocasion to listen it then I will do it. ):

 

 

"" 

 

R.

 

Dear @jeff1225 : " You guys really do make me laugh. Don’t like the design so you are going to draw opinions about the sound but are not willing to actually hear it in a system. Thank you both for the entertainment. "

 

Well, I know that you already knew that audio world is in reality an audio circus where we can find out clowns as you. Nothing wrong with that or with me.

Now, you are totally wrong in what you stated because what I posted was and is not about " sound " that you said but several true facts ( not because I posted. ) on what surrounded that cartridge design where one of those facts is that the cartridge FR deviation is 4db-6db and this sole fact really makes me laugh. Now you are an active member of that wbf stampede that started 2 years ago by a gentleman with a system where only the speakers have a price tag of over half million big dolars. Go figure !!! Btw, you can go to the other Agon thread about " what the best cartridge " where you can continue " laughing ". Who cares.

 

 

"" I will be placing my order after I sell some of these crappy MM carts that Raul’s thread convinced me into buying without hearing. ""

 

It’s weird that you mentioned about when not many time ago you was really happy with. Next is one of what you posted on that issue:

 

 

""" I’ve purchased a Ortofon SPU A95, if you have a chance to try one I’d suggest it.

Signet 7TK-SU is still my current favorite on my Acoustic Signature Ascona and SME 3012R. """

 

That AT group 7TK is almost the entry level model and you was in " love " mounted in the 3012R that’s an stapede tonearm in wbf. Ridiculous for say the least.

 

Now a simple question: from next " crappy " cartridges which one of them you listened in your room/system? all where " discovered " in that MM thread:

 

AKG P100 LE, Technics 100C MK4 ( stand alone version ), Stanton 981HZSII, Nagaoka MP-50 Super, Grado " The Amber Tribute ", Acutex 320 III STR IMproved, Signet TK10ML-II, Azden YM-P50VL, ADC 27, Shure ML140HE, Nagatron 9600, Grado MCZ/A, Audio Technica Precept PC440 LC, Astatic MF-2500, JVC X-1MK2, Grado G-1+, etc, etc.

 

Your answer will be appreciated but before that I can tell you that any one of them can compete today with any top cartridge it does not matters if MC, field coil or the like.

 

 

""" I can absolutely trust my ears when I’m listening """, good because the ears of any humasn been is way limited where those ears can foolished you as happened too with the other gentlemans/members in that cartridge STAMPEDE.

 

You make my day. Thank’s for that.

 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

 

R.

Dear @lewm  : " questioning the reality ".

in the  @mijostyn  frequency range posted please tell us what's your " reality " talking about. posted that in that FR " all " FR cartridges is flat: dead flat and if you own a cartridge that measures over that then something is wrong down there and not easy to be exactly aware what is.

 

R.

Dear @bonzo75  : Sorry to disturb you again but I re-read your posts and some information from your blog linked first by M Lavigne and unfortunatelly I can't find any single FACT/spec/measure that in any way could explain the FOUNDATION of all what you posted and that could change some of us opinions on that cartridge.

 

@mikelavigne , " then maybe understand the tech to see how it did what it did. "

Well that explain very clear our differences. My approach/common sense works different. 

R.

 

 

Dear @bonzo75  :  " What you like or Leif or me or any one else is not under questioning in any way and it’s the subject of this kind of dialogue:

" zero tolerance " means that I just do not care of any cartridge with a FR deviation between 4db-6db ..."

 

that's not " truism " as is not either the Duelund heavy colorations, even in Agon tech-talk forum you can read a dedicated thread with almost all what an audiophile needs to know about, find out a time to read it all the posts. For the good or wrong is a learning cap thread:

BEST HARMLESS/SIGNATURELESS SPEAKERS CAPACITORS.

 

Those 4db-6db cartridge deviation is a fact as are what you can read about caps.

If facts are " truism " for you no problem with me, it's you who look that way.

No, Agon is not wbf .

 

It's weird for say the least that the time I was posting there you did not try to have a debate with any of my posts and suddenly you came here with a lot of information maybe thinking that with that the FR of that CARTRIDGE WILL SHOWS " IT'S FLAT ". 

 

@lohanimal  , main difference is that there almost all is: " the proof is in the lestining " no matters what. The corrupted AHEE ( where all of us belongs " ) is whom teached exactly that.

 

R.

 

 

Dear @bonzo75 : " enjoy realism as well as transparency to recordings, .."

even that your targets are different of mines. To stay with " transparency to recordings " we need " zero tolerance " that’s one of my personal targets .

 

" you are ignoring the fact that Leif, who started the DaVa thread on WBF, has a 7 watts sets driven full range horn system with very high resolution..."

That’s not the main issue with that cartridge and can see that you don’t get it in precise way.

What you like or Leif or me or any one else is not under questioning in any way and it’s the subject of this kind of dialogue:

" zero tolerance " means that I just do not care of any cartridge with a FR deviation between 4db-6db and a cartridges where the manufacturer just does not disclose at least the FR and compliance parameters.

 

" The DaVa apart from a great sound..."

nothing wrong with that because is what many of you like it. All of you like heavy colorations that does not comes in the recording. Btw, that gentleman in Norway with his horn/set system high resolution likes those colorations because in some ways he is accustomed with " colorations " his target is not " zero tolerance " due that the crossover speakers use one of the higher colored capacitor as Duelund and some others fancy/bs of caps. For me the name of audio " game " is more about knowledge level of each one of us than money and the first step is to fix our main targets that will defines which kind of " colorations " we like and each one of us tolerance levels about. Common sense is way important down there.

 

@mijostyn , thank’s because now I know that I was not to wrong when I posted that that cartridge is cantileverless design and I don’t know from where a gentleman here posted that can track at 90u.. I need to see that tracking measurement because there is not even the cartridge compliance.

 

R.

Dear @lewm : Manufacturer specs normally camefrom its measurements tests and normally any good cartridge  is flat in the @mijostyn  frequency range where at the 20hz to 20khz frequency extremes FR deviations are showed in almost all cartridges.

 

Now, that kind of cartridge FR measurements depends on which LP test was choosed for  and I can tell you that normally could be some  differences in the FR chart between to same model samples. Nothing is perfect in audio analog, always trade-offs.

 

R.

Dear @newtoncr  : Do not surprise me that for your " taste " the Lambda SL quality performance level is higher than the Ortofon one.

 

I own or owned and listened in other systems  almost all the Lyra cartridge models from the vintage Evolve but I do not have yet the opportunity to listen any Lambda level cartridge.

 

Btw, your Lyra is in the mijostyn " radar ".

 

R.

Dear @newtoncr  : From several years nowI don't only like the SME 30 but I recomended along your V tonearm that I owned.

 

Now, if it's true that the Kondo silver wires are and have top quality performance the silver internal V wires are really good and perhaps the lower capacitance internal silver wires.

 

Now, Audio Note UK started there with on sale the AN Kondo audio items and latter on no more Kondo from Japan but they knew everything about Kondo designs and build quality and parts devices and talking of tonearm rewiring the ones by AN UK are second to none and " inexpensive " against the Kondo ones. You can read here about and I can tell you too that its IC cables are first rate too:

 

audionote.co.uk/wires

 

I own those wires and fulfill my targets. Many times wires and IC cables are system dependent but these silver rewiring Audio Note are not.

 

Btw, Lyra is one of my high always welcomed cartridge but the Olympos that as his designer posted time ago is " colored ".

In this forum there are several audiophiles that like Lyra and Ortofon too, me between them, and @mijostyn  just bougth the new MC diamond but before he decided for the MC Diamond he was behind the Verissimo and not only he and me but other gentlemans would like to know your first hand experiences with. Of course that that is appreciated.

 

R.

Dear @bonzo75 : Good to see you posting in this forum.

You are a first rate listener reviewer and way better than some of the " professionals ".

I said " listener " because now I know that you post exactly what you listened and that’s all.

It was unfortunated for me and now I can see that for you too my post in your blog and my attitude was and is not diminished nothing and that statement you posted:

" (DaVa ticks most of the boxes) ". I was think that was posted by newton who shared the blog link.

Your traget is very clear from what you posted by your visit at Mike home place.

My room/system targets are different because I want that my listening sessions stay " truer to the recording " ( what is an impossible target to be achieved. ) or at least nearer to and everything the same my common sense tells me I will be nearer too the live MUSIC ( even if that " nearer " is really far away from there. ).

 

I like to mantain my room/system LP/Digital MUSIC reproduction with any kind of " colorations " at minimum. I like the natural color, power, transients speed, dynamic, rythm and the like of live MUSIC seated at nearfield position where between you and the MUSIC sources exist only the AIR.

 

Not only me but at least other two gentlemans disregarded the Dava cartridge that came at this forum and wbf with out any single spec and two weeks ago a gentleman ( not the manufacturer. ) shared a terrible FR cartridge deviations but not shares the cartridge compliance.

 

I posted about the Top Wing cartridges looking for opinions in this forum ( other that the reviews. ) an you can read there that at once at least 3 gentlemans disregarded as me too.

 

Why disregarded with out listen the Dava or the Top Wing? because if my target meaning is " neutral "/low colorations the Dava spec can’t do it and the EMIA phono+SUT and LFD+Dongle can’t do it neither.

 

So, the main issue is that each one of us have room/system personal/unique targets.

 

In my case I have no single reason to try diminish any other gentleman opinion and something through my posts is that always try to explain the foundations of my opinions with out telling that I’m rigth and you are wrong.

 

Agon is not a easy forum because some us like to achieve a " good " balance between subjectivity and objectivity that’s not achieved all the time: hard task for us that try to post with that balance/equilibrium.

 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.

 

Dear @solypsa  : " I heard some great music on "

Maybe you are rigth because your statement could have at least two meanings: that you like the kind of MUSIC listened or that you like the DaVA AND YOUR POST MAKES ME THINK THE dAVA DUE THAT YOU MENTIONED THE RIG WITH BUT IF YOU REALLY DO NOT LIKE THE dAVA THEN WHY NOT POST IT INSTEAD TO LOOK A LITTLE  " condescending ".

 

Btw, you can elaborate, no problem it's a free forum.

 

R.

" 45db for digital that you mentioned this digital peak was " rounded ". Well those 95db peak ..."

 

must be read not db but watts.  Sorry.

 

R.

Dear @mikelavigne : " disruption impulse factor here is dominant. "

I respect your opinion and understand you or other gentleman that like you is not accustommed to be questioned on your statements but in any forum one of the main targets af not the main target is to learn and how any one of us including you can learn when no " disruption " but in this forum normally some of us not only say: " you are wrong or disagree with you " but always we try to give as wider explanation according with each one of us knoledge and skill level.

With out that " disruption " the Dava specs will stays closed when now and thank’s to our pressure about we all know it including you and even that you disagree with @mijostyn  and with me in the other thread when you posted that with out listening we can’t know what happens down there about the Dava but the time gives @mijostyn  and me the reason that some of us just do not needs to listen to know. You can read the posts , including yours, in the other thread.

In the other side your reference are your ears and this time like it or not your " ears " failed " and continue failing with the FCL.

Of course that the wbf never " disturb " you and that’s why that forum attitude developed that true/no sense stampede for the Dava, yes with out any sense because no one of you even ask a simple and almost " kinder-garden " question: which are the specs? when specs are really critical with cartridges if we can " read it ".

 

@lewm posted: "" I wouldn’t take wbf too seriously..." and I agree with him and I think I know why he posted that in this thread.

 

With all my respect to you that forum already " damages " you when passing to be " the leader " to a just a " follower " like almost all gentlemans down there and @solypsa here.

SUTs, tubes, Dava, FCL unipivot, etc, etc... is part of all those. I know that you were " married " for some years with unipivot tonearm design and now that you return to it think that the field coil design can stop totally the wobble at microscopic stage that’s where works the stylus tip and you know what: NO it can’t due to those tremendous and huge forces developed at cartridge stylus. Yes , no wobble at macroscopic stage ( exactly as the today Graham ) but the grooves tracking plays/role at microscopic stage and that microscoping wobble develops yes you know: additional distortions. That we like it those distortions is not the issue but what is better to stay nearer to the recording. I pointed out here all those looking for you take it in good shape and could help you in any way even that you could think that do not need any help from Agon members.

Do you know why SAT tonearm designer disclosed ( years latter to start in the market ) the " special " alignment parameters in his tonearm?. Was exactly like this time the Dava one: by high pressures made it here in Agon and that " disruption " you are against it is what permits any human been to learn and grow-up. Don’t you think?

 

R.

 

 

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Btw, @mikelavigne  that is not exactly the FR but its power spectrum along that frequency range but along the FR specs explains that FR manufacturer spec.

 

R.

@mikelavigne : Interesting and appreciated. Which was the whole hardware/software used on the measurements? The link shows part of the posted specs that shows the high FR deviations even that does not took in count the frequency range from 20hz to 100hz where deviations could be higher. Well that’s what you are listening and not exactly truer/nearer to the recording. You can make the same measures to the Etsuro too and compare it. 

 

@solypsa , good that you too like it that kind of distortions. Nothing wrong with that.

 

R.

Dear @mikelavigne  : I know that you do not like spec/numbers or measurements any way the cartridge specs posted here tells all the true about our hot dialogue.

Yes, I was wrong on that cantilever-less premise but was not about that what you were and are listening is only higher " distortions " and the specs confirmed that fact because that unsually FR deviation it's a kind of distortion that develops additional distortions.

Your Dartzeel peak measurements were just on " target ", it measured 95db in the Dizzy horn " blast " LP against 45db for digital that you mentioned this digital peak was " rounded ". Well those 95db peak comes from the cartridge 3db deviaTION AT hf AND A 3DB CHANGE IN THE LISTEN AMP  MEANS AT LEAST THE DOUBLE OF POWER that's what showed your amp. Not desirable true energy but distortion.

I knew something was wrong down there but not exactly what was wrong and that's why I posted no less than 3 times the need for cartridge specs and now that are disclosed the ligth comes again .

 

Nothing comes by free, so you and your friends are listening what you listen it that's a equalized FR that certainly can't be compared against any other cartridges or any digital devices. The FR swing of 6db is a lot deviation number that affects all the whole frequency range. If you connect an equalizer in your system and boost 3db at 15khz sure you will listen more " energy " ( as you said it. ) and will like a lot as you do but it's wrong totaLLY WRONG AN IS UNFAIR TO COMPARE THAT CARTRIDGE VS ANY OTHER CARTRIDGE THAT ARE FLATNESS THAT THE ONE i'M QUESTIONING SEVERELY.

 

Number always count, look in a frecuency range say  20hz to 50khz a single deviation in any discrete frequency does not alters that discrete frequency only but its adjacents frequencies too and this means its whole harmonics too and that single discrete frequency deviation alters almost 2 octaves in between ! !. So and say that exist a 2db-3db deviation at 3khz that deviation distorts all the frequency range till almost 9khz. If the deviation is at 30hz then the distortions goes up to almost 90hz and everything in between.

 

The name of all those is DISTORTIONS that were not in the recording and that makes FIM goes way higher.

I never questioned what you was listening ( in the other thread. ) because that was what you was and are listening but now we all have a reasonable explanation.

 

Could I be interested in that equalizer named cartridge ? obviously NO.

Share with your audio friends where for sure there is at least one audiophile but at the same time with a little technical knowledge .

 

R.

 

@osada22 : I can see it, my mistake and something weird is that owners and not owners that read my " cantilever-less " not questioning me before. Appreciated.

 

However IMHO it’s not a good cartridge characteristics that the FR deviation swing is 6db at a limited frequency range of only 20hz to 20kh. That deviation means that the cartridge over colored and not so truer to the recording but away form there, 6 db FR deviation is really high at any cartridge standard. That tells that FR spec at 10hz or 40kh the FR deviation could be even higher. Those numbers looks as coming from an " equalizer " and that's what M Lavigne is listening and now I can understand why he likes it likes the deviations. No problem with me .

 

Anyway. good to know it and thank’s.

 

R.

Dear @newtoncr  : Almost all owners just do not matters of all the recording information in the LP grooves that that cartridge can't pick-up and your Lyra can. You can't recovery that MUSIC information .

 

That cartridge is a cantilever-less design that's the worst tracking cartridge kind of design and for me it's more important to pick-up the LP grooves information that that field coil kind of design

Along those losted MUSIC information a cantilever-less cartridge design develops a way higher distortions that you will listen due to its very bad tracking abilities.

The main and more critical and important cartridge design subject for we MUSIC lovers is : cartridge tracking abilities and here you can read an explanation about:

 

http://pspatialaudio.com/analogy.htm

 

In other internet audio forum started the Dava stapede in 2020 for those kind of gentlemans that really do not cares of almost anything because even today does not exist cartridge specs.

If you want a field coil design maybe the Audio Note could be an alternative for you.

 

Btw, nothing comes by free, field coil designs needs two additional connection wires that in some ways could " stress " the tonarm free movements.

 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.