Feedback through turntable


My system consists of a McIntosh C2300 preamp, MC452 amp, MCD500 SACD player, VPI Aries 3D with Ortofon Cadenza MC cartridge, Manley ChinookSE phono stage, PS Audio P5, Sonus faber Cremona Auditor M speakers and REL B1 Sub bass system.  My issue is with turntable use only; SACD has no issues.  On my pre when volume is +55 (peak at 45watts) I start to get feedback through the turntable - a sort of low freq sound, back off volume and it goes away.  My Auditor M speaker is about 3 ft away and in front of turntable.  I do have a rumble filter (KAB) installed between preamp and phonostage to help with sub woofer pumping.  Due to room layout I cannot rearrange the setup/move turntable.  My turntable is on a 2.5" block of wood and that sits on 4 isolation blocks via spiked feet.  Any thoughts how I can eliminate this problem?  Harry Weisfeld with VPI states he has 4 15" woofers (JBL Everest) near his Prime Signature setup with no issues at all.  Why am I having this problem and how can I eliminate it?  Thank you in advance for all feedback.
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Going on the advice of "How to Get Better Sound", I placed my TT platform on the side wall about 3 feet from my left speaker. Because my sound room is on the second floor and I have a suspended floor, I built a suspended platform, out from my wall using appliance springs and tie-down straps/metal cables, so it basically "floats." This worked great, until I added another JL Fathom 13 sub. I couldn’t even turn the subs on, due to low frequency feedback that would build on itself. I tried the inner tube trick, the sandbox trick-everything I could think of to no avail. I finally moved my turntables to between the speakers. I’m sure, some of you are thinking-what a moron-everyone knows that and I would agree. It took me several trial and error positions, to find this place, where no room nodes are effecting the playback. I think in the long run, acoustical energy has a huge effect, on the playback, specially at high volume levels. As far as cones go, I was a skeptic. I have a Theta Miles CD player I dearly love and only use analog outs on it. I had to utilize thick foam, so the low frequency would not effect the playback. (too much low frequency for the room size) I placed four cones, one under each corner of the CD player and was amazed to not have anymore low frequency pick-up. Maybe I will try just three cones in the future. I know you said you can’t move your equipment, but as mentioned above, sometimes just a little change, can have a huge effect on your sound. Room nodes can be neutralized some, with room treatment. As a matter of fact, I think proper room treatment, used in the proper way, will give most of us better sound, than an equipment upgrade. I’m a believer in Dennis Foley’s technique and products. If you haven’t tried them, or are not familiar with them, go to his web sight "Acoustic sounds."