Esoteric DV-50: Any cdp's Significantly better?


Is there are anyone out there who has compared the Esoteric DV-50 to a number of dedicated red book only players (or other universal's) and found one that is SIGNIFICANTLY better?

I stress significantly because in my humble opinion the redbook playback (if comparison unit is just a cd cd player only )must be significantly better to justify losing DVD-A, SACD and DVD-Video capability.

I keep hearing there are better one box solutions and being a die hard 2 channel fan I would sell my DV-50 if I found a player in the same price range that sounds significantly better. But every time I do an AB comparision to other well respected units the DV-50 has slayed each and every one.

So far, it has eaten the lunch of the Classe CDP-10, Ayre CX-7, Linn Ikemi, Cairn Fog Vers. 2, Cary 306/300, Arcam DV 27A and CD 33T, Myryad CD 600, etc. It even betters a Sony SCD 777ES/MF Tri-Vista 21 transport/dac combo that I previously owned. I'm only comparing the DV-50 to single box cd or universal players, but I just wanted to mention the Sony/MF combo. I'm sure there are some dac/transport combo's that will handily beat the DV 50.

Some may say that the DV 50 should beat all the above because the of price point ($5,500 vs. average price of $3,000 for the above players). But I disagree since conventional wisdom says that stand alone players (especially with the pedigree of those mentioned above) should produce better redbook than a universal player trying to be a jack of all trades. Only the DV 27A does video plus audio. By the way, I was very impressed with the 27A as just a cd player. Of all the above I would say the Ayre was the best.

Next on my list is the Electrocompaniet EMC 1UP and the Resolution Audio Opus 21. However, I must tell you I am really impressed with the DV 50 and all the great reviews are absolutely true. I've noticed that many people who are using it or comparing to other players are using the RCA analog outs instead of the balanced outs. There is a significant improvement in sound if you use the balanced outs and I'm only interested in hearing comments from people who have compared it against other players using the balanced outs on the DV-50.

My system components are as follows:

B&W N803's speakers & HTM-1 center
Cary Cinema 5 (5 x 200) amp
Anthem D1 Statement pre/pro
Esoteric DV 50
Acoustic Zen Satori Shotgun speaker wire
Nirvana SX balanced interconnects from DV-50 to Anthem
Acoustic Zen Matrix reference II interconnects from D1 to Cary
No after market power cords or isolation equipment

My system sounds great! Those who comment please make sure to specify what specific improvements you heard over the DV 50 and what cdp were you comparing it against.

AVGURU
avguru

Showing 13 responses by henryhk

Though I have not personally heard it, many I know swear by the Reimyo CDP-777 for single box CD only player sweepstakes.
Avguru, have u had the chance to audition EMM Labs gear? Many in audiogon and others swear by it as I do (the new transport + DCC2). So I guess doesn't qualify for u as its two boz solution? But given it doesn't require a pre-amp (DDC2 has pre-amp functionality ..very neutral and clean), may woth checking out. Personally have tested agst DV-50 and its no contest for both SACDs and CDs. Far greater transparecy, air, top octave extension, decay etc. However I have not had the opp to personally audition either X01 or the mod versions of Sony etc. Some reviewers have however on the latter in comparison to Meitner gear and continue swear by EMM Labs
Try Meitner gear transport CSDC plus DAC6 (mutilchannel) or DCC2 (2 channel DAC + pre-amp). Though u have specified one box solutions the combined cost is not out of whack compared to some of the pricer one box players like Burmester, mbl etc..even cheaper. The DCC2 also has by pass mode if you wish ( I use the preamp, very neutral). This set up play SACD and will also convert PCM (CD) to DSD but no DVD-A Incredible transparency, extended highs, decays that linger in your mind, excellent transients, clear mid range, image depth excellent. I have compared it to the DV-50, no contest. But admit no experience in the Sony Mod versions (pre-mod Sony definetely inferior) or the X01.
that's what I don't get....a lot of the universal players including the X01 covert DSD back into PCM. If so, what's the point? Meitner and Sony obviously don't. APL, Exemplar have no idea.

I suspect as someone said earluer Av guru has bit the tube bug. Of course, nothing wrong with that either! Such are the trade offs.

However I think once can get the "tube" quality via using tube amplifiers. My current system is comprised of Meitner transport + DCC2 + Linn Klimax Solos + Kharma 2.3F speakers....and for above reason considering to go for tube amplifiers, or at least experimenting when I get the time....ahh: the most valuable and scare resouce: time. Time to appreciate music itself!
Meitner: A word of caution. I believe AVGURU et al already know this but I have quite a few comments on Meitner gear in audiogon which are somewhat misguided. If you are going to test the gear make absolutely sure you are using the proprietarty optical link btwn the transport and DAC6 or DCC2. Only then do you get the full measure of performance as one of the keys to Meitner gear is that ir upconverts PCM to DSD before analogue conversion. Without the optical link, u don't get this and end up regular PCM to analogue conversion.
very much doubt it sprinbok 10: the only diff would really be Dcc2's preamp function vs using another sep pre-amp: which can be avoided as DCC2 allows u to bypass the preamp functionality.
I wld luv to try the modded units but where I live (Hong Kong) they r difficult to come by. Hey, I was told I was the first non-professional in Asia to purchase the DDC2 (with CDSD)...I did compare the Phillips transport to the CDSD: no comparison. CDSD is vastly superior.
let's try 2 get back 2 the topic at hand....one shoot out is over and there have been various cdps discussed which were not included in the shootout...meitner, reiymo etc. any others that are worthy of contention? seems like there are quite a few new universal or sacd/cd players coming out without much prof mag reviews done yet (or ones that are planned but not yet commercially launched). for example, the goldmund universal player...did any one try it? there are a lot more too...
By the way one thing missing from most of the commentary of the various players discussed...including the listening session....was whether the same holds for both redbook CD and SACDs. In my brief experience dealing with stock players (have no exp with mod players unfortunately) there is a big diff. Some players do SACD very well but poorly on CD, others somewhat the other way around (or better put do not really bring out the best in the SACD format) etc. Would appreciate if those who comment in the future could touch on both areas separately. Many thanks.
I recently had a better opp to compare the mod Phillips SACD player used as a transport vs my Meitner CDSD both thru my DCC2 as a friend wanted to test the CDSD. HUGE difference. The Phillips although OK ...highs were rolled off, transient attack was relatively muted, sound stage not as deep. Both for CDs and SACDs. So if you were making the comparisons between the modded players such as the APL vs the Phillips transport-DAC6 etc...then I see why some of you preferred the mod players (again I have no exp) and suggest you owe it to yourselves to try the Meitner gear with its own transport.
the old Philips SACD 1000 I think which was first used after mods by Meitner for to use with his DACs (no longer available as Meitner has stopped doing this as he launched his own transport). What I am saying is his own transport makes all the difference.
All the discussion here seems to be around the APL, Sony Modwright, Esotetic, and at times Meitner. But there seems to be a lot of new models from comeptitors coming out and would be really interested if anyone has experience with them....Golmund universal, the dcs transport/dac, the new dcs one box sacd/cd player, the new Classe SACD player, even CJ is out with one.....the more the better I say! Now if only SACD software title issues would accelerate further!