End Game Turntable suggestions


Hello all, looking for insights to help me narrow down to some core choices; I am open to new or preowned. My system details can be seen under my profile.

In summary I have significantly expanded my vinyl collection and as of now I am looking to purchase an end game turntable appropriate for my setup. As you can see I use Mola Mola Kaluga Monos, and I really like the Zesto Pre and Phonostages. I find the class D/tube pre combination very pleasing. 

I would appreciate suggestions for around $5-8K (table + arm), new or used. I will have separate budget for cartridge. One preferred option (but not must-have) is universal voltage, as I may move the unit to Europe later. My current vintage turntable (Project Perspective) is 22 years old, and while I don't know how to compare to something really amazing, I can say that my setup is lacking detail and bass. The tonearm is terrible to keep aligned. Based on visits to Axpona and Cap Audio Fest and other research, I am thinking of a few in my budget, but will really value your suggestions of other brands:

- Origin Live Sovereign

- VPI Signature

- SAM Sinner

- Thorens TD 1601 (semi automatic)

Visual appeal is important to me (which is why Technics 1200 is not on my list despite great reviews everywhere). I love the idea of set it and forget it DD tables, but unfortunately mostly out of my budget (eg VPI HW-40 going for abt 11K used)....

Sorry for the long post but my hope is this background and help solicit good suggestions. Thanks

 

musicmatters1206

Showing 6 responses by rauliruegas

Dear @musicmatters1206  : " the centerpiece of my system and would go for a high mass design with room presence. "

That's fine with mebut seems to me that you are " working " more to " impress " your friends than looking for the bestquality performance levels that does not puts nothing or lost nothing to the sensible and be loved cartridge signal.

Btw, speakers has really the true room/system presence but that its me.

 

R.

Dear @au_lait : Well you are a fan of Technics even in your R2R unit and you like the long tonearms. I like and have first han experiences with your Pallete and as you I own ADS speakers in my case the L-2030 modified by me.Yes, the MK3 is hard to beat maybe the lewm that has a different plynth material could or sounds different.

Plynth material for vinatge top TT seems to me that with blend of material and very good internal damping could be the solution but yours looks beautiful.

In the new Technics SP10 they choosed not wood and the SAT one neither or the Air Force.

Anyway, I really like your MK3 " presentation ".

R.

 

Dear  @musicmatters1206  : " Basis Signature 2500 with vacuum, i am going to have sleepless nights....  "

 

Well that unit set you back over 15K: for what?

 

You need a TT with speed stability mated with an excellent tonearm and these are part characteristics of the RP-10 that you can add the Basis reflex clamp and you are done rith there.

 

Put your money where it mattters after the RP-10:  A Lyra cartridge/VDH low output, Ortofon, MSL, etc, etc and a way better phono stage as  this " humble " unit by PS Audio that competes even aginst the very expensive $$$$  Swiss CH units. Please read the review at the Atkinson measurements that no one Zestos can even dream but that helps a lot for you can have a very high resolution and heavy quality performance levels in the sounds reproduction at your room/system:

 

PS Audio Stellar Phono phono preamplifier Page 2 | Stereophile.com

 

PS Audio Stellar Phono phono preamplifier Measurements | Stereophile.com

 

It's your money and your system but don't waste your time and money for " expensive " audio products. Price tag means nothing for any one. 

A fine tunned room/system will sounds a lot better than a maga$$$$$$$ systems where money can't " fine tuning " job no matters what, yes you have to learn through the time that " fine tunning " but first step yo do it is that your system links have the " hidden capacities " to do it and the RP and PS Audio have it.

 

R.

 

 

Dear @musicmatters1206  : The RP-10 comes with an excellent tonearm too, read what M.Fremer posted in his review of the DD SAT XD-1 100K+ TT ( with out SAT tonearm ) using Lyra Atlat, top Ortofon and other top cartridges and comparing against the Continumm $$$$$ BD TT:

 

" The XD1 shares some sonic characteristics with Rega's revolutionary RP 10 turntable: ultrafast, clean transients throughout the audible frequency range; tight, fast bass; revealing midrange transparency; and overall sonic stability and focus. All these characteristics result, apparently, from careful attention paid to structural rigidity and the removal or prevention of unwanted vibrational energy "

 

R.

Dear @musicmatters1206  : " End Game Turntable suggestions "

End game? really?.  It's almost impossible to have " end game " but the RP-10/tonearm combination is really near to and with a Lyra LOMC cartridge from Kleos to Atlas then Icould say: you are done.

 

But in my opinion you have a severe tweak system link with that phono stage that not only as 10k on output impedance that goes mainly but not only the HF range but additional its critical and way important to achieve a high quality system levels performance ist that the invese RIAA eq.curve has a high frequency deviation swing of 1db that affects not only the discrete notes but harmonics too and puts a colored/distorted sound reproduction. I know that you like it and my opinion is only that.

 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.