End Game Turntable suggestions


Hello all, looking for insights to help me narrow down to some core choices; I am open to new or preowned. My system details can be seen under my profile.

In summary I have significantly expanded my vinyl collection and as of now I am looking to purchase an end game turntable appropriate for my setup. As you can see I use Mola Mola Kaluga Monos, and I really like the Zesto Pre and Phonostages. I find the class D/tube pre combination very pleasing. 

I would appreciate suggestions for around $5-8K (table + arm), new or used. I will have separate budget for cartridge. One preferred option (but not must-have) is universal voltage, as I may move the unit to Europe later. My current vintage turntable (Project Perspective) is 22 years old, and while I don't know how to compare to something really amazing, I can say that my setup is lacking detail and bass. The tonearm is terrible to keep aligned. Based on visits to Axpona and Cap Audio Fest and other research, I am thinking of a few in my budget, but will really value your suggestions of other brands:

- Origin Live Sovereign

- VPI Signature

- SAM Sinner

- Thorens TD 1601 (semi automatic)

Visual appeal is important to me (which is why Technics 1200 is not on my list despite great reviews everywhere). I love the idea of set it and forget it DD tables, but unfortunately mostly out of my budget (eg VPI HW-40 going for abt 11K used)....

Sorry for the long post but my hope is this background and help solicit good suggestions. Thanks

 

musicmatters1206

Showing 12 responses by elliottbnewcombjr

I encourage at least two tonearms, one with a removable headshell.

And then a SUT with at least two selectable inputs, PASS for MM, and optional settings for MC cartridges, thus only 1 phono input needed for any tonearm.

Best Stereo on main arm, Mono ready to go on second arm. Second arm removable headshell for quick change to other cartridges, yours or a friends. 

Second arm, easy height adjustment for VTA, and if cartridges of various heights are involved.

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I've seen some two arm tables all; assembled, I'll post some later when I have more time if you are interested in the idea.

I personally helped a friend mount two Micro-Seiki Arms on this wonderful Luxman PD444

 

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We know what we have best. Me, personally, I couldn't be happier with mine. Importantly, I have the skills and tools to modify, mount tonearms which makes a big difference is a solution like mine.

I put my vintage TT together with help here. Bit by Bit, Plinth and Spinner phase 1. 3  tonearms selected separately, also with advice here.

All in, except cartridges, $5,000.

I started with two arms, and later squeezed a compact 3rd arm on, so I have Long Arm with MC, any other, and Mono.

Mine is Vintage JVC Victor TT81 DD Quartz Lock Spinner in a JVC Victor Two Armboard Plinth CL-P2, seen here

https://www.audiogon.com/systems/9511?_gl=1*bdv68k*_ga*NjQzNzE3MDA1LjE2NjQyODIxNDk.*_ga_SR0PMVVEN1*MTY3MTg5MDUwNi4yMDAuMS4xNjcxODkwODkwLjYwLjAuMA..

Some VPI’s can have two tonearms. Steve at VAS knows which models if you like VPI’s

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Here’s a custom case with a Technics SP-15 (3 speeds); Two arms,

 

I bought a SP15 in factory base at Harvey’s long ago, gave it to my friend, Wonderfully accurate, solid. Check SP15 specs against any other Technics including modern models, it’s one of the best.

https://vintagetechnics.audio/turntables.php

This one’s been listed for a while, probably receptive to an offer

 

Clever armboards (2) simply pivot for arm length.

 

VPI with Uni-pivot Arm

Arm wand with cartridge simply lift off the pin of the base (VTA)

Another solution for quick change of cartridges, is any VPI with Uni-pivot Arm. Your main arm wand on the uni-pivot arm base. 

A spare arm waiting nearby. Simply disconnect the mini-din connector, lift the arm wand with cartridge off the uni-pivot. Place the spare arm with alternate cartridge on the uni-pivot, connect the mini-din connector. 

Steve has a big VPI he loves, with several arms waiting: to test/demonstrate cartridges, like the Mono one he just built for me. btw, he says new VPI are not as good as prior ones made when the father was in control. You could ask him more about that if a VPI appeals to you.

the unipivot base

 

12" uni-pivot arm wand

 

 

I like Technics EPA-500 Base with interchangeable arms better than the VPI. I just installed one for a friend, a wonderfully made design, easy VTA adjustment

here it is with a straigt arm, fixed cartridge

 

simply loosen a screw (see ’lock’ in photo), arm slides out sideways and slip in an alternate arm wand, like this one with removable headshell.

the arms have integral connectors, no messing around with delicate wires.

you buy the arms separately

 

These fit the Technics Direct Drive units like this (another SP-15 in a Technics base) that have round armboards (interchangeable for other arms)

 

 

Want DD, here’s a Technics in Gold Finish (price is oddly high)

 

You can get it in silver of course

 

 

 

mdalton

I inherited a Thorens TD124 with an SME arm. Wonderful!

Tremendous quality, that heavy platter, in incredibly close tolerances, best most coherent bass I ever got out of a TT.

Design, moving parts below the deck are easy to understand, clean, lubricate, keep in top shape., 

My problem is my springy wood floors, so I sadly had to move on. The bearing is susceptible to vertical motion, so I traded it, moved to my current setup, also in a firmer location. Perhaps the Thorens bearing would be less problematic there. 

OK, what appeals to you visually?

Still want to get DD, that's my choice, best if it is quartz locked if you do.

here is a beauty, belt drive, I don't know anything about it, except Micro Seiki makes great quality stuff, often innovative

 

in a thread on Audiogon the L version allows long tonearms.

Pick your own tonearm, with separate advice can be a good thing, and you may want to change to a different tonearm in the future.

manual from vinyl engine

file:///C:/Users/ellio/Downloads/ve_microseiki_bl111.pdf

 

 

see the last post there.

I am surprised no one here mentions two tonearm TTs.

glennewdick

Acoustic Solids Video of their production is impressive.

I already posted this two arm version with minimalist look

 

many acoustic models are listed on hifishark

 

looking at their designs, it is possible a second arm could be added to some models, now or the future.