@arhgef There are plenty of switches that can do the job.
Eliminated my preamp with amazing results
I pulled my preamp out completely. The result's were not subtle.
For those who stream music only... I was going from my laptop... to my DAC...to my preamp...to my amp. My preamps ONLY function was volume control. Source control not needed.
I started using Audirvana recently which comes with it's own high quality 64 bit volume control that was far better than the potentiometer in my preamp. It dawned on me that I could control volume using Audirvana and plug my DAC directly into the amp and bypass the preamp altogether. (Roon and Jriver also have excellent volume controllers) Note: Audirvana has an app download on a tablet/phone so it acts like a remote control. I'm loving it!
This not only eliminated the preamps volume control but it took out ALL the electronics associated in a preamp including some cables. A FAR more direct route. However, you must use caution and make sure the volume is controlled properly in the software since the amp will be fed wide open volume.
Having experimented with 'passive' preamps in the past (McCormack TLC-1) I thought the sound would possibly lose dynamics and bass response would suffer. WRONG!
The results were...Shocking!! Immediately the extended depth of the image was noticeably deeper. Background darker. The highs are the best I've ever heard. Pristine. The bass was dynamic, tight and most of all 'textured' in a way I never heard before. As I stated earlier the results are NOT subtle!
This is an experiment that took a few minutes to set up and yielded the best performance improvement of ANY other tweak I've ever tried. Not anything like using a passive preamp.
Equipment used... Peachtree DAC-itx.
Preamps...McCormack TLC-1 and Melos tube preamp.
Amp is McCormack DNA 0.5
Understand that different components will have different interactions with each other. Your results may vary. However, IF you don't like it, it takes just a few minutes to put the preamp back in the system. Nothing to lose and lot's to gain. After hearing this, I will NEVER go back to using a preamp.
Good luck!
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@gdaddy1 IMO Phillips and Sony made a stupid mistake when they set the Redbook spec to 2V output with digital gear, more than many amps need to overload. I think their reasoning must have been that once you hear digital, you'll never want to hear any other source. Obviously if that was the thinking, it was grossly incorrect. A smarter thing to do would have been to allow for a lower level DAC output in addition to the regular line section that's built into all DACs and CD players. This way if you happen to have a phono, tuner, tape machine or other source (perhaps video) you could use a regular preamp and get maximum fidelity.... The reason I still use an active preamp, even though my DAC has a good volume control, is because I run balanced lines and the DAC doesn't support the balanced line standard even though it has balanced outputs. I run 30' cables and because my preamp supports the standard, those cables don't have to be expensive to sound right. FWIW most 'balanced line' products you see aimed at the high end market do not support the standard. As a result you hear cable differences with them, which the balanced line system is supposed to eliminate! |
@gdaddy1 Obviously you don't :) Many DACs don't do as well as yours appears to. The reason I will always have a preamp is because I don't want my interconnect cables between the preamp and amp from coloring the sound. I've found in many cases this coloration can be more than the line stage of the preamp! If the DAC is unable to control the cables, then it makes sense to have a preamp that can. Most balanced line 'high end audio' products don't support the balanced line standard, so I expect there will be a plentiful market for preamps as a result. |
@gdaddy1 @erik_squires IME preamps have 4 essential functions (this is limited to a line stage): 1) input selection 2) volume control 3) provide any needed gain (as will be the case if a tuner, phono section or consumer tape machine is used) 4) (and this is the least understood) reduce or eliminate artifacts from the interconnect cable between the amp and preamp Passive controls and TVCs are inherently incapable of point 4) above. Gdaddy, I hope you understand that running directly out of your DAC is in fact using an active line section. Its dedicated to the DAC of course. So this comment from your original post is not correct:
because you are not working with a passive control right now. Make no mistake- for a DAC to drive a power amp directly the signal must be amplified to meet Redbook standards and that is done with an analog circuit similar to what you find in a preamp line section. As you can see, active circuits work quite well!
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