Electrostatic Speakers Vs. Horn/component Tweeter


I’m curious… when a horn or tweeter goes bad, it’s clearly obvious.  The driver is shot and the audio sounds clipped and distorted.  Electrostatic however, have massive surface areas and use static electricity to vibrate the material…. So when an electrostatic speaker goes bad, what actually happens to cause it to go bad, and does it go bad like a tweeter, where it goes from sounding fine to sounding like crap in a split second?  Or will an electrostatic speaker slowly decay over time, so you don’t notice it initially, and then one day, it just doesn’t sound as good as you remember it sounding?  If an electrostatic speaker goes bad, what causes it?  Is it torn material?  Is it something where you can replace a single small part?  Or do you typically have to replace the entire panel?

I’ve come across plenty of blown regular speakers in my life, but never a blown (if that’s even possible) electrostatic speaker.

maverick3n1

ML suggests a power amplifier in the 20 to 400 watt range... I think they should do just fine with 150 watts... Although the ESL X are rated at 6 ohms which will cause your AVR to run up 190 watts per channel... Again more than enough to properly power your ESL Xs...

Back to you initial question about how your speakers may be damaged... The mylar may decompose with age, sun, dust... There is no voice coil like in a cone speaker which may deform or melt in an overpower situation...

I would be curious how the ESLs sound running as a vanilla 2 channel with out that extra subwoofer and set as large speakers in the AVR... You may be able to connect that subwoofer to other left and right channels or even tap directly to the standard left and rights... There is no reason to run them as anything less than full range speakers... You could then crossover your subwoofer in your subwoofer, given it has the capability to manage its own gain, crossover and phase or polarity...

My current setup is how ML recommended I configure it until I can get a dedicated amp.  Set to large mode, there is no need for a sub.  They sound incredible and have plenty of bass.  But when turned up, my receiver overheats on heavy bass songs and starts clipping.  Since this room is used more for movies than music, I need the sub to handle the various surround modes, but an also using it to reduce the workload on the receiver until I get a dedicated 2 channel for the speakers.  Then they will be set to large again :)

There is a wealth of information on ESL's at diyaudio.com under the Planars & Exotics forum.  The technical guru's there are extremely helpful and generous with their knowledge for both the novice and the more experienced enthusiasts.  They have helped me with mine on several issues I've had.  The Martin Logan owners forum should also have plenty of info.

Now I am not technical, but I will give you my understanding of what can go wrong with ESL speakers:

Because a normal amplifier does not produce enough volts to properly drive an ESL, a step up transformer is used for this purpose... anywhere from 50 to 150:1 ratio.  If over driven, they can fail causing low output and distortion...kind of a crackling noise.  This happened to me one night on my left speaker while listening  to some very loud and dynamic music.  However, this was pilot error on my part since I wired the transformer for maximum output vs a lower safer output(I'm still mad at myself for this!).  I don't think Martin Logan's have this problem?

A bias power supply charges the diaphragm to a high voltage(2000-4000 volts!) so it can interact with the stators-the curved perforated metal on your speakers.  If the power supply fails, there will be less sound or hardly any sound at all.

The thin mylar diaphragm vibrates by being attracted to the + or - stator, producing music.  Over time, the conductive coating may lose its effectiveness or actually separate from the diaphragm. Dirt, dust, and bugs can find their way between the diaphragm and the stators.  Bugs at nighttime can be quite entertaining with a light show as they are electrocuted...but this may cause a burnt hole in the diaphragm. The ML's should be well insulated to prevent this?

The stators are usually trouble free, unless they somehow lose their insulation or bent too close to the diaphragm.

These are items that may go wrong but most likely will not.  Hope this helps a bit.  Look into the forums for the real experts, though!

Bond-san

 

Do the speakers sound good in stereo set to full range? If so you’ve obviously got no issue and it’s all in the crossover. Also, when income allows don’t get an amp — get a stereo integrated amp.  Getting the Denon’s preamp outta the picture for stereo listening is at least as important as upgrading the amp if not more. The preamp section of your AVR sucks — they pretty much all do — and the preamp is crucial to get the best performance out of a system. Just my $0.02 FWIW.

This is always a good read when considering amplifiers for ESLs...

http://www.atma-sphere.com/en/resources-paradigms-in-amplifier-design.html

For stereo music a proper line stage preamplifier is always the best way forward...  And of course the proper paradigm amplifier for the type of speakers used...

Good luck in you choices...