I have not heard the Kharmas yet, I have plans to do it very soon. I do have a fair amount of experience with Avalons(they were my last speakers), I always felt myself wanting something I just couldn't obtain with them, not to say they were bad I just felt they were on the lean side and pretty far from the last word in coherency. I am currently using a MUCH cheaper speaker and everyone who has heard before and after agrees the current set up is better on every plane. The things I felt missing from the the avalons is exactly what I am told the kharma's do so very well. The model I believe they are reffering to is either the Midi Grand(30k msrp) or the infamous 3.2 monitor(19k msrp) so they are on par with the mid-twenties from the Avalon Eidolon. I do think you could do better for the money the Eidolon's cost, I at one time lusted after Eidolon's more then anything and now they are not even on my list any more :( They do look incredible though! You owe it to yourself to do a little auditioning at this price level.