Dynaudio focus 360


I recently acquired a pair of Dynaudio focus 360's and hope there are folks here that have had these or similar Dynaudio's that can shed some light.

My system currently consist's of a Rega p6 and auralic vega1 into a  McIntosh mx110,to a adcom gfa5452 out to the focus 360's.

First off I know these speakers like a lot of power and currant,and I have plans to get a amp with 350 watts per channel.

Here is what is going on.

If I listen below 70% of my maximum listing volume,the sound falls flat on its face and sounds like a cheap radio with 4 inch speakers in it.

If I turn up to 80%,things sound much better,at least modern quality recordings.

Tunn up to 90%,things sound real good,until the singer backs off for a softer vocal delivery.Bam.The vocals fall way way back and way to low.

Same thing with electric guitar.As long as its playing lead up front in the mix it sounds good,but the rhythm guitar just melds into mush.No tight loud crunch where it normally is.

The vocals only sound clear and good when it is a sparse mix,with few instruments competing for space.

Then the vocals sound very very good.

One example:Alison Krauss Baby now that I Found You.

Stunning,I mean it sounded like she had walked up to me and was singing 3 feet from my face.

Please assure me these drop outs in mid-range and vocals will go away with big power and currant.

These speakers sound fantastic with acoustic instruments and drums.

They just can't reproduce electric instruments with the required oomph on my classic rock recordings.

They come close when I crank it to 100% of my listening volume,but still the krang of a Marshall stack is missing.

It is strange how when ever the vocals are just a little bit reserved the volume drops a lot and looses all body,even on the intro of a song.

I'am going to wait until I try these with the more powerful amp before I make my final judgement,just hoping I can get some encouragement here that all will be well.

Thanks

 

 

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twangy57
ronboco

902 posts

 

@twangy57 

How about some good class d Monoblocks? 

I believe I looked into them and I couldn’t find any with input impedance of 100koms or greater,which is what macintosh recommends for my mx100 tube pre/tuner.

I must also admit I’am a little leery of them because I remember reading quit a few articles stating they thought they sounded sterile.

I know that they have come a long way over the years ,but I’am old school.

I guess I’am waiting for all the tube folks to start selling everything and buying them

Is there a brand or model in particular they you were thinking of?

Thanks

 

 

kennyc

1,836 posts

 

...right combination of power and current.

Agree you're on the right track- ample availability of current needed for high energy bass

Yes,when I explained to the gentlemen at dynaudio that the vocals and midrange  instruments seemed to drop at certain times,he said that it might be because there isn't enough available current for second or two.

Thanks

I am confused. How would it not?

My experience, @gano , is that it most certainly does, and also that it is not only about wpc and current.  However, there seem to be some here and quite a few on audio asylum that will tell you it is all about the speakers and anyone who tries to tell you that what's in front (of the speakers) can make a big difference is trying to sell snake oil.

@twangy57 

A few years ago I welcomed a PrimaLuna EVO 100 Tube Preamplifier to my rig and ended up with a similar situation that you have - a pairing issue. Voicing was slightly veiled on some tracks, and generally speaking, most tracks had the lead singer in the background, rather than forward - or upfront. 

Like your McInstosh, the PrimaLuna required that the amplifier's input impedance be at least 10 times higher than the preamp's output impedance. And like your McIntosh, the PrimaLuna was 10K...so 100K was where my amp needed to be.

As it was at the time, I was using an NAD C275BEE. This amp had both fixed and variable inputs. In the fixed mode, the impedence was 10K, while the variable input (full) was 100K. 

I would love to tell you that as soon as I switched to full variable input everything changed for the better, but it did not. While it certainly increased the quality of the sound, it was not where I knew it should be. Still had some issues with vocals and bass was good but a little muddy.

I believed at the time- and still do- that the issue was the dampening factor. DF measures the amplifier's ability to control a speaker's movement after a signal stops. DF is calculated as: Speaker Impedance / (Amplifier Output Impedance + Cable Resistance).

The NAD c275BEE DF vs. frequency is typical of most solid-state power amplifiers: high at low frequencies, then declining throughout the audioband. Hence, the sound was bettered as the volume was turned up. The lower the output impedance of the amplifier, the higher the DF, so this is what you would have been experiencing with the Adcom. 

Also, adding speaker cable resistance will lower the DF, so while I am not wanting to get into a cable conversation, it's important to use good quality, low-resistance cables. I don't think my AudioQuest 5 cable was causing the issue or adding to it, but it is possible that your cables may be compounding the problem for you. Don't rule out a chain reaction.

That is a lot to digest. And it is at those times when it is best to try not to fight the power, but to simply start over. I sold the PrimaLuna, upgraded my amplifier and even changed out speakers, cable, etc. I succeeded in getting the sound I craved by ditching a bad partnership that started by simply using what gear I could afford in hopes of hitting pay dirt. I was merely hoping to get lucky.

I am not so young either, so it is best to get to the point of bliss sooner, rather than later. Save time; do not waste it on poor pairings.

I think it was the Pass Labs CEO who states that building a system starts with buying the best speakers you can afford. I guess you have done that with the Dynaudio's, so work backwards from there as you seem to be doing. Keep the DAC. Get a good phono Preamp to go with the Rega (a $400 Rega MM or MC phono preamp will sound much better than your preamp in the McIntosh). Use good cables (Rega sells a $150 low cap TT cable to go between preamp and table). But the guts of your system - your amp/preamp pairing that serves the speakers the best is paramount. Good luck.