Duleland break in time


Hi I did a double biwire configuration using Duleland 12 guage tinned copper wire. I imideatly disliked the sound as compared to my Nordost Heimdall. So my question is do they need more"burn in" time or should I chalk it to experience?
Thanks
Mark
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Did you twist the runs of cable? Important....
No more than 100 hours is needed to pretty much know the end sound. Break will never go from very poor to the best I ever heard to be frank. System synergy and personal preference are very important considerations here.  Nordost is very different sounding vs Duelund. Nordost has more energy in the presence area and less midrange bloom. Very different sounding cables.
Well I have several ads here on the Gon under my username.  I can custom make any cable for folks.  No site as yet as I am pretty busy with Agon orders right now. I also make jumpers, a great USB cable, shielded and non-shielded ICs as well as power and speaker cables. 
I use two different bulk wire for the power cords.  An economy power cord using the WE 10 gauge and a more expensive cord using the Furutech FP-SO22N Nano AuAg cable as well as the 12 gauge version. 


I also love the WE 10 gauge and use it in my rig! I use a double run to the bass and now use a set of Duelund 16 gauge jumpers to the highs. The jumpers are made using 4 runs of the 16 ga in a star quad configuration with Furutech spades. Great sound! My runs are too long for the Duelund 12 gauge in terms of cost and length. I have to run mine under the house to avoid a cluttered look in front of the fireplace. 22 feet! The WE wire has a moisture barrier layer that the Duelund does not and that is a plus under the house.

Both the Duelund 12 ga and WE make nice speaker cables.  I do find the Duelund just a tad more refined, open and smooth.  
Nice summary @mitch2 

Lots of work on your part and I really appreciate your passion and interest in these cables.  I think your post is spot in terms of the differences between WE and Duelund. Spot on.  As to which one sounds best in a given system, well that will depend on the sonic priorities of the individual and the overall sound personality of the system the cables are placed in. 

I think the added plastic layer of the WE wire is causing more of a closed in and less energetic performance in the presence area.  I should say I think it is a factor, however not the only factor as you pointed out. 

Now one can change the outcome slightly by the connectors chosen. 

- Cardas - more overall warmth
- Furutech - more resolution and air
- KLEI - very neutral and closest to bare wire connection I have heard 
@mitch2

You have a lot of wire at home 🙂

Great stuff and I so appreciate your efforts. You will be interested to know my current configuration. It is my favorite thus far. My Dali Epicon 6 speakers are biwire. I had always used two separate cable runs for true biwire hook up until about a month ago. Here is what I did.

I have a double run of the WE10 (7 gauge) going into the bass posts only. Two twisted pairs combined at the banana connectors. I then jump up to the highs with my new Duelund jumpers. The jumpers are made with four 16ga stranded and tinned Duelund conductors and Furutech spades.  The sound is fantastic. Yes, even better than biwire (WE10) on my particular set of speakers.
The KLEI will need some 150 hours before some initial brightness completely disappears. I know you use a cooker, but wanted you to know. After that they sound very neutral as if using bare wire only. I have used these on 16,12, and 10 gauge WE and Duelund wire with great results. I do not think they can accommodate the combination of two WE10 stranded wires. They accommodate a properly solder tinned 10 ga WE wire almost perfectly with little room for a second as I recall. 
These fit two WE10 wires. I use them. Slightly on the warmish side in SQ. Set screws.

http://www.soniccraft.com/product_info.php/neotech-ncb-80-banana-p-4053?osCsid=eaa2da58afeabf3d0e8d4...

http://www.soniccraft.com/product_info.php/neotech-sk-8y-spade-p-2020

I have not tried these, but they accommodate 5 gauge. They have spades and other choices also....

https://www.douglasconnection.com/Furez-TSTWP48XLNP-Bare-Copper-Banana-Plug-Connectors-Pair-FZTSTWP4...

I use the KLEI on a weekly basis and just cannot imagine 2 of the WEs fitting. You would have to open up the split cut bottom tube used for soldering and then it would. It just would not fit back into the plastic case. Could you fit a nice clean solid core 6 gauge? Perhaps, but two finely stranded 10 gauge conductors is a much different reality as you know.