DSP? Does it really do that much???


I have a av processor and did all the testing in various positions which then took all this information and did something and yes it did change the sound overall to the room.

And then I looked under the hood to find out how my system changed and Ohiosaw that it refined distances between speakers and the volume levels. And then it did adjustments to my curve, and isn’t the curve just a glorified way to adjust the various frequency levels that you’d see on an equalizer? The user friendly version.

I mean the curve really was very comparable to what it was before I did DSP and I guess I could make manual changes to it. The only way you can really adjust things like an equalizer within your home theatre system

And then when I use DSP it all goes through a filter and that’s OK (maybe)for home theatre but for stereo listening it’s not a good thing.

All the other crazy quirky things this DSP supposedly does are so difficult to understand and I’m not sure what it accomplishes. The interfaces are not the greatest to use and then you have lots of signal errors which are annoying.

I just wish I understood whether it’s all that good a thing to do. Maybe if I had 15 speakers it may have value but just front and back and a sub and a centre can be easily adjusted by me.

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You can lead a horse to water.....

 

Here is a fairly easy thing to try in Roon that can deliver big results and demonstrate the power of DSP done well in a particular application.

Can you listen to Roon with headphones? If so what model? For that model find a convolution filter file for it here AutoEQ Web | Results | Recommended (killdozer.uk), download it in a location accessible to your Roon core/server, and set up Roon DSP to use the file when listening with the headphones. Let us know how it turns out.

 

Don’t be afraid of the word "filter". It’s just a word. Filter done right = good. Filter done wrong =bad.

 

I use 5 of these for 5 different headphone models, all with positive results, to varying degrees from marginal to massive, ie good quality cheaper headphones run off a well matched headphone amp now sound more like quality headphones that would cost you a whole lot more..

Tech dive...

Under the covers, DSP converts the digital music signal from time to frequency domain. Now in frequency domain there is a data point for as many frequencies as needed (more needed the higher the resolution) and the signal processing algorithms can now manipulate or transform each frequency as needed.

A simple case would be a volume control. The amplitude of the signal at all frequencies is either increased or decreased by the same amount at all frequencies. Simple addition and subtraction.

Then it gets more complicated from there. A digital equalization operation might focus a boost of a certain magnitude at a certain frequency and control the range of frequencies around that impacted (Q).

Towards the more complex end, you have a room correction algorithm that automatically determines what to adjust at each frequency based on measurements of the room acoustics taken by a microphone.

So you can see how powerful DSP is. Vendors might apply it under the covers in their gear to help better achieve a desired reference sound or perhaps more unique "house" sound or users can optionally do their own tweaking as needed. Dynamite stuff!

Another cool application I can cite is DSP built into active monitors. I have a pair of tiny Vanatoo active speakers that has DSP built in. Why? it allows the sound of the tiny speakers to be tweaked right out of the box to provide results that are beyond what would otherwise be possible with such tiny speakers. I came across Vanatoo at a high end show a few years back where the audiophiles were huddled in mass and aghast at the sound coming out of a pair of tiny $600 speakers. Obviously, I was also quite impressed and bought a pair. One of the best sounds possible these days for a mere $600, and it will probably only get even better over time as the application of DSP technology continues to evolve!

 

Agree best approach is let the DSP at hand do its thing first and then "tweak" the sound from there to one’s preference.

You can do that in Roon DSP for example by defining mutliple filters that all work together, one to correct the room, others to apply as many individual tweaks as needed from there using for example the various totally customizable parametric equalization operations provided . How to customize to personal preferences correctly? That’s the trick. It takes some learning and trial and error to master, but 1000% worth it.

What actually happens to make it do what it does if it does much Beyond what tone controls do??

It’s all done in the digital signal processing domain so anything is possible from the equivalent of simple analog tone controls to sophisticated convolution filters.

Unfortunately the more powerful applications require some study to master though over time vendors are making things increasingly easy for lay users to leverage DSP effectively. An example would be a convolution filter for a specific headphone model that someone else created and all you have to do is download and apply the right file to make most any good quality headphone sound even better, based on data collected by experts on how how headphones work optimally to provide an improved listening experience.

 

DSP is definitely a topic worth reading up on and leaning about. IT can help make most any good quality equipment sound more like a reference standard or perhaps merely more the way you want it sound, in most any room, so it helps keep one off the costly and time consuming hifi equipment merry go round.  That's because  now you have pretty much total control over how things sound rather than be at the mercy of the gear chosen and the room it is playing in or headphones being listened to.

It’s just one very powerful feature of Roon for example that makes that product even more valuable to serious listeners.

DSP is just a tool. It’s what is done with it case by case that matters. The devil is in the details. Done right it can be a game changer.