Is this similar to "Shotgun" with speaker cable? If so, the improvement should be quite audible.
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..just wondering if the use of an inexpensive cable (BlueJeans,etc) using Doug Schroeder’s method provides better sound than using expensive top of the line cable. (you can see my insecurity in spending a few hundred dollars in low end cable)
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I ordered some cable to try it out.....we'll see
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..just checking......the Y connection for balanced cables in this application needs to be female XLR to double Male, and then double Female to single Male....is that right?
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Thanks Doug.....I'll look into Audio Sensibility....:)
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Doug.....I bought the 1 meter pair from Audio Sensibility....it seems they make a cable that doesn't need the Y connectors but still maintains the Schroeder method. He told me that this cable is better than the double with Y connectors since it eliminates the adapters. When I get the 1 pair back to try out, I'll report back. Thanks
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You’re right Doug....no class D......All Ayre - CD/Universal silver disc player, amp, preamp, VPI turntable/3D arm 2nd pivot/Winfield cartridge, Vandersteen 5A speakers. Everything including phono is balanced cable, speakers are bi-wired. Top Wireworld cables at present (who knows what the future brings) Looking forward to hearing what all this jibberjabber is all about :)
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Awaiting (not so patiently) for my cables to arrive from Audio Sensibility. I only ordered 1 pair, but if the DS system works, I’ll get all the cables. The longest one is about 4 meters.....preamp to amp. The others are 1 meter. ..just thinking....My speakers are Vandersteen 5A’s which have high pass (maybe low pass) filters. The preamp is connected to the filters which then go into the seperate amps in each speaker. The filters roll off the lows at a specific rate which goes to the mids/highs section of the speaker, whereas the woofer amps increase the lows at the appropriate level to balance the rest of the speaker....actually it sounds complicated, but it works well. My amp is freed of the task of powering the low end and kind of loafs amplifying the mids/highs. I don’t want anything untoward to happen to my over 100 lb amp, so I’ll first put the new D/S cables into my dedicated headphone amp. If that one blows up, it might be easier to repair. We’ll see how it all goes.
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Thanks Doug....I'll call Ayre tomorrow (Monday)
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Hi Doug....just thought all who are reading this blog would be interested in Ayre’s response as to cable length... They told me that they use 10 meters balanced interconnects in their sound room with absolutely no issues at all. (30 feet!)
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..just installed the new Schroeder balanced cables. ..absolutely no electrical issues....dead quiet..They are made very well...2 cables merge into 1. Clearly, they have to be broken in more. I’ve listened for about an hour.....what jumps out to me are the dynamic contrasts....percussive sounds, etc. I’ll let them settle, and post back.
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I got a double Schroeder balanced interconnect and have been using it for a couple of days now. What I find really interesting is how it changes as its breaking in. The first place I put it was between the CD player and the dedicated headphone amp. I couldn't believe the dynamic contrasts of the music I was hearing. ...not as to how loud it got, but rather it seemed to allow the after beat from the drummer to really stand out rather than sound "lazy" in comparison. I have a Purist Audio break in disc and played it through....you can't listen to it...its only noise. Anyway I got brave and connected the power amp and speakers. That dynamic that I liked seemed to lesson somewhat, but the speakers absolutely disappeared. The walls in the front of the room vanished. The instruments appeared not only with depth that I had with the older cables, but each instruments was suspended in its own space closer, and farther away. In a Niel Diamond record, a scratch guarro, sounded like someone was playing it not in the house, but way out to the right on the patio of the pool. The instruments and singer are now smaller and set in their own space. The cable just became better and better....the definition increased, so that listening to lyrics is now much easier. I could understand much of Elton John, but with this new cable I can relax and just let the understanding of what he's saying come through. As far as tonality is concerned Schroeder's cable sounds very, very similar to my expensive silver interconnects....but its as though a pretty girl has had a pro makeup person bring out the very best for a Robb Report centerfold. I'll get more cable for the long run from preamp to amp....I'll suppose there will be more to say. Thanks Doug
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Doug....I hate to say this, but my new cables are not doing the magic they did when new. I have to investigate this more before saying more......I'll be back when I'm assured.
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You're right Doug....your wire IS better. Dynamics, clarity, smoothness, etc., etc. I've been working the Arizona elections and have been too busy for proper evaluation. Thanks
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...just bought a stereo 5 meter run from the preamp to the amp, and another 1 meter from the CD player to the pre. I'm using the current 1 meter from the turntable....Very pleased. I'll post more when I get the long one.
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I got the cables from Audio Sensibility.....They don’t list it on their website but he will make the cables for you.....ask for Impact SE....get 2 cables for each channel (4 cables/stereo pair)...get them configured "single parallel pair"..... no need to use low quality Y connectors
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d_s......let me know if you're ever in Scottsdale, Az......
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My 5+ meter interconnect was just mailed.....we’ll hear.....
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I found the old RCA Dynagroove and RedSeal classicals to be much better than current records. (Soundtrack from Peter Gunn, Fiddler on the Roof, Daphnis & Chloe, Bernstein Mass (Columbia) etc.)
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I am now Schroedrized......I got all the cables now, plugged them in and nothing blew up. My first worry was that I ordered too short of cable from my preamp to amp, but no, I measured right...whew... (about 5 1/2 meters) The sound is congested, little bass, highes lopped off, but after an hour things are better. I've been CD'ing an Elton John recording, and every song is better than the previous one. It is so interesting how the cables are changing as they break in.
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Even my wife says she doesn’t understand me.......My thinking is that the cable from the turntable being the oldest of the Schroeders has reached a higher level of performance because the new ones (from the CD player) are still opening up. At this time, the CD player is not what I think it can provide in sonics. With my older silver cables, the turntable sound was better in some ways than the CD player, and the CD player was better in other ways....all depending on the recording. Also, all sound is going via the long preamp to amp new cable. Of coarse, I’m open to any of your suggestions. ...just as an aside, I’ve played the Purist Audio and Ayre break-in discs but without any progress.
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Right Doug....2 -1 meter pair (phono to preamp, silver disc player to preamp) and 1- 5 1/2 meter pair from preamp to amp. Still not broken in.....interesting the 1 cable that is oldest is phono to preamp.... phono sounds WAY better than CD. All balanced XLR cables
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Doug....there is no doubt about it now. The Schroeder cables are the very best I’ve heard in my system. I’ve tried many levels of Cardas, Kimber, Purist, Wireworld, Audioquest (interesting to me is that the ultra high level of Signature cables was not nearly as good as their top lesser grades), etc., etc. None have the openess, dynamics, depth, etc. as your cables do....and far less money. Bravo! Perhaps each system just has its preferences...I don’t know. It takes a couple of days to find the gold, but for those who are trying it, be patient and enjoy. It was so interesting to hear the journey. At first....rolled highs, no real, but tubby bass, no air. All the sound seemed to be coming from the left speaker grill cloth. I even checked the attachments to see if I wired it correctly. I really couldn’t hear as it was changing....just a realization that the soloist was now dead center...then came the openness..... The low bass was next. I have Vandersteen 5A speakers which was set up by Vandersteen himself who proclaimed my room was just not capable of those really low tones....yet...they are now evident....they are clean, pitch specific, and fully incorporated in the sonic picture. I can go on, but I simply encourage all to try these cables in your own system.
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I fell in line with the Schroeder Method and am reveling in the spectacular performance. The aural picture is so real I feel as though I've stepped into the performance. I can follow each single instrument and appreciate what it brings to the piece. I replaced uber expensive silver interconnects....and would not change back.
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Atmosphere....kindly post your findings.....I have a balanced system, am using Doug's system with no Y connectors made by AudioSensibilies, and have experienced a great improvement from regular XLR's
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atmasphere....that’s interesting. I have all Ayre balanced, and am using Doug’s cables and I hear a definite difference....not questioning you, just my 2 cents.
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Maxima95....my system is fully balanced XLR....totally interconnect Schroeder wired and love the way it sounds.
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I'm using Doug's method....gave up silver (expensive) cables ...his sound better in my system to me. (all Ayre/Vandersteen system)
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The quality of Y splitters makes a difference....
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I replaced a high end silver set ....many times the price of Doug's discovery..(Audio Sensibility). The silvers are in the garage.
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I have an all Ayre system that is differentially balanced...phono to pre, pre to amp, cd to preamp. I use Doug's cable type made by Audio Sensibilities. Better sound than my high priced silver.
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