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Kinda like how some gamblers bet on horse races, on the jockey’s colors. 🐎 |
WHITEHOUSE, TEXAS? Whoa! What? Is that right down the road from Dripping Springs?
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Naming dropping is nice but comes across as just another, I’ll show you mine if you show me yours maneuver.
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I think he gets it now. 😃
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Time can pass very slowly sometimes. 😬 |
Just for the record I’ll take the big Raidhos and I don’t care what anyone says they sound like. I am a person!
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enginedr1960
For most of us the most expensive part of our systems and the one thing we cant exchange is the room we listen in . I have heard some very good rooms .
>>>>Fortunately, whatever generic or gawd awful room we are dealt we are able to completely overhaul it sonically, as there are a boatload of audiophile products to choose from, from Tube Traps, Room Lens, Marigo VTS Dots, Helmholtz resonators, clocks, tiny little bowl resonators, diffusers, Echo Tunes, Shakti Hallographs, Mpingo discs, isolation stands, crystals, what have you.
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calvinj OP
As far as Raidho sounding cold. Once again it was not put together properly. High priced equipment is not the only yardstick. Room, amplification, cabling, source etc make a huge difference. That’s why if you paid attention to what I was saying in the post tha DAVE BASKIN WAS EXPERIENCED AT HIS CRAFT. He knew how to properly match things. He knew how to position his equipment and soundproof his listening enviorment. Any high end speaker can sound like crap if you don’t properly match it with the proper source, cabling, amplification and listening enviorment. As far as lack,of knowledge is concerned you don’t know me and I wouldn’t tell you you have a lack of knowledge. Whatever, anyway I didn’t just go to a show and listen to the equipment I mentioned. I either owned, had long term monthly demos in my listening enviorment or went to listen them on multiple occasions in other people’s systems. I’m just saying if you have not done what I have done at least I’m probably less apt to listen to you. I want people that have tried the whole spectrum and heard the whole spectrum of stuff. I’m not saying that makes them right or wrong but I’m personally more likely to,trust them more. In addition to that when I hear the higher priced equipment that is PROPERLY SET UP AND MATCHED IT WILL BLOW THE OTHER STUFF AWAY USUALLY. Not all the times but more times than not. Is the higher price stuff worth what people pay. NO IM NOT PAYING FOR AUDIO EQUIPMENT THAT COSTS A MANSION OR LUXURY CAR. Some will but I won’t. I feel I’m playing at a nice level that allows me to get the resolution and musicality that I seek in my audio. To each his own. No one is 100% right just my opinion. BASED ON MY LACK OF EXPERIENCE. LOL.
calvinj OP
Look everybody. I have spent the last 14 years going at Audio like an obsession. I have had the pleasure of having Rick Schultz at high fidelity cables allow me to demo stuff. Scott warren at advance home theater system. Bob Spence and affirm Audio and the late Great DAVID BASKIN who had a speaker bucket list because he knew he was dying. Last but not least my friend Charles Threat who along with my friend Bill Smith went on an audio journey for the last 10years. In addition to that my guy Gary at Audio emotion in Scotland always came through with great suggestions. I learned all I could from these guys. I was blessed to have the opportunity to get 30 plus years of experience that each guy had in our hobby. Each of them spent 30 years minimum chasing the Audio ghosts. I’ve heard equipment and cabling at all levels through these relationships. I don’t only speak of what I learned but also what I was taught by them. Equipment, placement, room acoustics, resolution, cabling, recording qualities, equipment isolation etc etc. These guys have allowed me to have access of equipment as cheap as $100 up 100k. I have been blessed to learn and enjoy this hobby like I have. The reason I have settled in my system is that for what I paid and what I seek I’m in a great space. Can I do better yes but at a cost and gamble I’m not willing to take. Every little thing affects your system from the cheapest cable to the room enviorment. I have my opinion but to some you may disagree and that’s fine but I will very seldom lay run into anyone that has been on the trip I have in this hobby for the last 14 years. I have enjoyed every bit of it. I started out thinking that folks were crazy to ever pay more than 2k For anything in this hobby and then I heard what was possible through technology, resolution and great amplification and I changed my mind. It’s great that we have opinions but remember we all have different experiences and I’m not going to down you for disagreeing with me but lack of experience is not a street that you should go down with me. I have been schooled by a great group of guys that love this hobby and do it not just to sell me stuff but for the music. Enjoy it while you are hear two of those guys are no longer with us!
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OK, who woke mapman up? And why didn’t he post once with all those thoughts together in the same post instead of three separate posts? Oh, wait a second, I think I know why........😬
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calvinj, I think you have completely missed my point. I am not attacking anyone for having expensive systems. But simply having an expensive system or any system is not sufficient reason to draw conclusions regarding sound quality, which cables are the absolute best, how much people need to spend on their systems, what constitutes audio Nirvana or any of the other usual audiophile arguments. Or to claim that the opinion of folks with inexpensive systems don’t count.
I will not play your I’ll show you mine if you show me yours game for those reasons. It doesn’t prove anything. You can derive almost no information regarding sound quality from pictures of systems or lists of system components. There are myriad very expensive systems that sound horrible or at least very generic. A rich man has as much chance of obtaining audio Nirvana as a camel has of passing through the eye of a needle. |
Neverthelesss, somehow we muddle on. 😛 Just wait until you hear that Raidho System calvinj was raving about.
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Actually, the LS3/5a is not the really the best example to try to make your case with as it was notoriously inefficient, had no dynamics and no bass whatsoever. It could not play rock or orchestral music due to its limitations. Voices sounded great. It will give it that.
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calvinj OP
Well I think you missed the point of my whole post. He had great equipment. He matched it perfectly with cables and component matching. He had an almost perfectly measured listening enviorment. He had the makers come in and set it up. The recording quality of the music he was playing was excellent. He had the whole cottage built for the purpose of listening to the best equipment he could get his hands on and because of his all out assault Audio nirvana happened. Lol. Until you’ve heard it don’t comment. Honestly, I don’t think I will ever hear something that good again. He went to great lengths to set the whole thing up!
>>>>>I think YOU missed the whole point of MY post. If good intentions and hard work and money were all there was to it all the well heeled pros at CES would have great sounding systems. Obviously that is not the case. A rich audiophile has as much chance of entering Audio Nirvana as a 🐪 has of passing through the 👁 of a needle. Whatever you heard it could have been better.
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calvinj
Best I ever heard in my life. Sounded so good I don’t want to hear it again. They had to put me out I wanted to stay so long. Intoxicating, airy, great detail, no harshness, perfect soundstage big, great image placement, airy highs, open wide midrange, deep tight low bass. Granted this was an all out assault system worth about 600k retail. But it is the best I heard and I heard it in extended sesssions on 3 occasions. That kind of reference point is priceless in the hobby. Showed me what reproduction was possible of. The sound is in my head so when I listen it’s locked in. Now can you get that out of a 60k system I doubt It. I have a system 35k retail and I have heard systems all over. Mines is put together pretty good and I have heard systems that cost 60 to 70k that mines will run with but after that if you get the right equipment and set up my system can’t run past that amount. The proper high end stuff is just that good and some folks have no idea.
>>>>That’ll do til something better comes along. 🤭
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douglas_schroeder
Waste of time to debate it with someone of dubious experience.
I disagree. There are many ways to handle that sort of thing. For starters, you can always speak to “everyone else out there” and ignore the person who’s debating you. Works for me. 😬
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The sound you LIKE is almost certainly not the same thing as the sound you WANT. That’s because our IDEAL of what great sound should be, the one in our head, keeps changing. Nobody, well, besides Jitter and Glupson, strives to recapture the magic of their youth in the 80s or whenever. There is no glass ceiling.
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Oh, my! Looks like I touched a nerve. 🤗 |
glupson
I started growing up listening to records on Dual 1225 turntable. By any means, not anything to brag about these days. No fancy power cord, no unidirectional interconnects, nothing of that sort. Well, the thing was magic.
>>>No unidirectional interconnects? Are you trying to reinvent audio terminology? 😛 But you’re right, nothing to brag about these days. Or any days, for that matter. No offense intended. [Note to self: There seems to be a very large gap between the high end and those who got stuck back in the 80s and other assorted backsliders and mossbacks.]
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Live acoustic music is a mixed bag at best. I would say a well put together, tweaked and tuned audio system is more reliable as a point of reference. A suffiently large high power all tube Class A System with regulated everything and isolated everything would be where I would start. Then tweak your brains out. 🧠
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Unfortunately, the old audiophile axiom is mostly true, that our IDEAL of great sound, I.e., the sound we tend to strive for, is only as good as the best system we’ve ever heard. That right there explains a lot. |
Not necessarily. If it did matter, anyone could win any argument simply by claiming he’s heard the best of high end equipment. At its core it’s really a logical fallacy. Case in point, go to a big audio show sometime and you can observe just how difficult it is to get great sound out of the best of high end equipment, including speakers and cables. |
