Does Anyone Know the History of the Early Sota Turntables?


Does anyone know the differences between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 and 3 of the Sota Saphire tables? I found a very clean Gen 1 table I am going to use as a casual player. I have some extra arm boards and an extra arm I can put on it. Motor and bearing is in excellent shape. The platter feels like alumium, and I do not know if in these first tables they went to the lead or acrylic composite platters. The way the spindle looks I doubt this is the inverted bearing either. Anyone know the history of these early Sota tables?

neonknight

Mulveling, Are you saying that your platter in effect bounces up and down on its magnetic suspension when sufficiently disturbed? So far as I know, the first fully maglev bearing is on the Verdier.  SOTA have it now I think. My Kenwood LO7D platter is partially suspended  in the vertical plane by magnets.  There are others besides the Clearaudio.  Anyway, the Verdier bearing is solid as a rock.  So is my Kenwood bearing, albeit it should be as the platter does make contact with a solid thrust pad while the magnets just reduce the burden. I don't actually know of any maglev bearing that has much give in it so as to allow the platter to move up and down with room disturbances.  Nor can I really say that is a horrible thing. I just ran it up the flagpole to see who would salute it.  But you can imagine that the SOTA mag bearing ought to be solid, because the Cosmos also has a spring suspension. You would definitely not want the platter to be excited while also the spring suspension is excited.

@atmasphere There was a bass extender module for them, which this pair has. Makes them look like Wilsons or those LS3/5A with their bass modules. Has a 7" Focal woofer in each cabinet as I recall. 

Sorry I do not see a magnetic bearing storing energy and act as a suspension. Have you ever tried holding two strong magnets and then compressing them together? Takes a lot of force to do this. Now this bearing rides on a fairly complaint suspension tuned to 3 Hz. Any force that tries to compress the bearing is just going to move the suspension. The platter weighs 9 pounds, so its going to take a lot of energy to make it change position relative to its stationary position created by the two magnets. I don't know about you, but I don't beat my turntable hard enough to do that while playing. And the suspension isolates it from outside forces. 

There was a bass extender module for them, which this pair has. Makes them look like Wilsons or those LS3/5A with their bass modules. Has a 7" Focal woofer in each cabinet as I recall. 

@neonknight Yes- no that you mention it, we had that at CES. The bass cabinet helped a lot.

FWIW, In any proper turntable you don't want any play in the platter bearing or tonearm bearings- and the coupling between the mount of the platter bearing and the base of the amp must be as rigid and 'dead' as possible. In this manner it makes it more difficult for the cartridge to pick up vibration at the platter since it will be common to the tonearm as well.

Mulveling, Are you saying that your platter in effect bounces up and down on its magnetic suspension when sufficiently disturbed?

@lewm It does so visibly, in the extreme case when I walk by heavily (I’m > 200 lbs) on a bouncy floor with unbraced rack. And in the slightly less extreme case, when playing back at loud SPLs (mid-90 dBs average), large woofers can visibly "flap" - this flapping is NOT present on a rigid bearing non-suspended design like VPI - same room, rack, everything. Of course, those tables have their reactivity in the audible bass range - the feedback even sounds similar to ground hum at times.

Every model of CA Innovation is susceptible to this - I’ve had them all - Compact, Wood, Master. It you push down on the platter it feels "springy", albeit less linear than with actual springs.

The SOTA can cause big trouble too, if the suspension is excited by significant event. But THAT is relatively easy to solve with rigidity in the right places - and the suspension provides a ton of value in its massive isolation of frequencies above resonance.

Yes, I’m aware stacking suspensions is bad news - I’m sure SOTA’s very gifted engineer/designer is aware of that and made sure to avoid deleterious overlap of resonance. I’m just curious about the design of SOTA’s bearing solution compared to the Clearaudios I’m familiar with.

Audiophiles who keep their volume levels below 85dB, and those on concrete slab, will probably never experience the issues I'm talking about.