Thanks George! I was confirming what I suspected you might say. The McIntosh 452 sounds pretty darn good but I’m always looking for possible upgrade steps. I used to own the JC1s and liked them but my speakers at the time didn’t require that kind of juice so I move on. I probably should have kept them as they are great amps for any speaker. As for the JC1+, maybe on the used market when the price comes down. Lol