FWIW, I have tried numerous power cables throughout my journey and I have yet to find one that makes a sonic difference.
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This is the way I think of it and I maybe wrong so please add if I am way off base:: The electricity I receive at my humble abode is generated over 100 miles away. It goes through step up and step down transformers before it reaches my house. From there it flows through 25 year old 6 to 12 gauge wire until it finally reaches my outlet. How on gods green earth can a 6 foot cable running into my amplifier make a difference?
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"Hook up your system to at any point in those 100s of miles of transmission, at step up transformers, step down transformers, at 25 yr old 6 GA and 12 GA wiring, and your system will sound different at all the points you choose. One can't argue that." Thanks for the information but how would my system sound different if it were 10 miles or 90 miles from the point of generation? Do electrons age? I am glad you hear a difference but I am trying to find out why. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Nonoise--I didn't start the thread and I am certainly not trolling. You stated this::"Hook up your system to at any point in those 100s of miles of transmission, at step up transformers, step down transformers, at 25 yr old 6 GA and 12 GA wiring, and your system will sound different at all the points you choose. One can't argue that". What got me was the "One can't argue that" statement. Well please prove that a sonic difference is evident, since you stated that it could not be argued.
Coralkong--Could you please point me in the direction of where it is easily demonstratable? Would you happen to have a statistically relevant test stating that PC's make a sonic difference? Thanks in advance. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
@audphile1--Why? What's the point of listing my system and PC's that I have used. What information has been given that statistically proves that PC's have an impact on sound? I can tell you that my Personal Computer PC is special and it makes my computer runs faster than an 10 Ghz AMD processer--Is that proof??
You are all just grasping as straws here. I am glad you hear a difference but I have not and science dictates that I shouldn't. Again, I am not some ASR junkie, but I am a scientist, so I want some scientific rigor to substantiate your claims.
@ghdprentice --Please. Talk about a biased opinion. They have some really neat tech that is applicable to Power Cords but statistical tests that prove that these cables make a sonic difference is lacking. Again, I would love to see a sonic uptick so I can further my journey--The proof is in the pudding so to speak.
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Thanks Nonoise. I agree that AC power is dirty. I have invested $100,000+ over the years in cleaning up power in Ultra High Resolution Gamma Spectroscopy. I have seen the results first hand and I have the statistics that can back this up (un-filtered vs filtered spectral data). What I have not found is statistics relating to the use of $2000+ Power Cables, and how they make an observable sonic difference.
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I appreciate your responses-- 1. I don’t even know if you have a system I have a single Bluetooth speaker running through my phone. 2. It’s clear you haven’t tried any power cords other than stock if you have a system at all You got me. 3. Science has been wrong on many occasions but that’s not the point Agree. 4. How do you measure details, clarity, precision of imaging, soundstage depth, height and width with an oscilloscope…please enlighten me what measurements define these aspects of listening experience? Can human hearing and interpretation of what we hear by our brains when it comes to tone, what we define as perfect sound, be measured by oscilloscope? I absolutely agree. Two different power amplifiers with the same measurements will sound different when compared. Same goes for DACs. But when you measure at the output they measure the same. I absolutely agree. I already explained the components and cables ecosystem where EMI and RFI impact performance of the components plus each component will pollute the AC line. The premise of my post--How or why does this affect the sonic presentation of the component? I’m not here to prove anything to you. It appears you’re not willing to give this any consideration. So from where I’m standing, this conversation is over. Enjoy what you have. But if and when you eventually crawl from under that rock you may discover you’ve been wrong all along. Take care. Thanks for the kind words. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Spectral results--Each count was 12 hours. High resolution gamma spectroscopy using NIM's. The NIST certified rate is 20.030 CPS for the Region of Interest (ROI). The region of interest is approximately 661.7 keV. Results--As you can see, the filtered data is very close to the "True" count rate as per NIST certification. The filtration costs > $50,000 and cleans up the AC power before it powers the sensitive electronics. The crystal operates at - 200 degrees Celsius and is ultra sensitive to electronic noise. Using a Nordost Power Cable made no statistically relevant difference as compared to a standard cable. I am not sure what this means on the sonic front but if a Power Cable made NO difference on highly sensitive equipment, how could it make a difference on a CD transport.
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I think you are reading the results wrong. The cable tests were unfiltered (No AC filtration). I used the filtered and unfiltered tests to prove that AC filtration is measurable (Albeit very small but measurable difference). The PC didn't make any difference in this counting system, and it would have if there was some sort of signal degradation due to an "inferior" PC. |