Diving into the world of tubes...help needed!

@millercarbon I like tone control for a lot of 'correcting' of recordings so that they sound good to me.  I know many will disagree, but eh, it is what it is.

Nearly CAD$4000 for their cheapest integrated is a little much for me. Nothing wrong with made in China if it's quality! Which apparently both the PrimaLunas have.
Customer service would be nice though.

@atmasphere I see the advantages to separates.  Interesting that you point out about the speaker cable length.  Unfortunately I don't really have a room that would work in...maybe one day!
I understand what you're saying about tone controls, I hope that while auditioning I don't miss them and can eventually dismiss them.  But my current setup only sounds good when I use them.  Not that it sounds bad without them, but they bring so much life to the music.
The Loki tone control I'm considering does have a relay controlled bypass, so it is a true bypass.  At least it's got that going for it :)

Thanks for your input everyone. I'll consider all of your suggestions as I continue my search :)

@berner99 Glad to hear.  One thing that really draws me to the PrimaLuna is the bad tube indicators.  I still think I'll go with the Vincent in the end though.  The only way I can audition a PrimaLuna is to buy one and then if I don't like it a 5% restocking fee would be charged.

@davekayc They seem nice, especially the Cronus III...but just too far out of my price range. It's about $4000 plus 13% tax where I live.

@tomcy6 I think, as others have suggested (maybe here, maybe another forum, can't remember LOL) that for my needs and budget, having a tube preamp and SS power amp is a good idea, whether it's integrated or not.  I've heard nothing but good things about the Vincent, and it's the only one that I can audition, so I'll see if it has that "magic" sound that I'm looking for.
@celtic66 As I've just said above to tomcy6, I'm more interested in the preamp having tubes, rather than the power amp.  I just can't afford separates, nor can I justify spending all that much if I could.  I think a CAD$10 000 system (turntable, pre&power, speakers) would be my maximum spend. My mistake about the Emotiva, I was tired while writing my original post, I shouldn't have put that one :)

@michaelg63 Ha ha! I can't ever imagine spending that much on audio, it's just...too much for me!  I think for the time being, a tube preamp and a SS power amp are the way for me.  Whether it's the vincent or the PL, or one of the others suggested here.

Thanks noodlyarm!

Someone in another forum has basically convinced me to home audition both of my interests (which have now boiled down to the Vincent or the PL EVO 100 Integrated).  I've found a dealer for each, that are about an hour away...so if they'll let me take them both home I'd be very happy!  For one I may have to actually buy it and pay a restocking fee (5%) though.

@veerossi Great.  I'm In Canada, so honestly the only way for me to try PrimaLuna is to buy, and if I decide to go with something else, I'd have to pay 5% restock fee, which in my case is about $130.  I looked at Line Magnetic's stuff earlier today...not my cup of tea.
@celtic66 I understand what you're saying, but from nowhere I've heard that Vincent is a subpar build quality.  Sure it doesn't have point to point wiring, but it's also not a simple, straightforward tube amp.  It's a hybrid, with some extra toys

@wolf_garcia Wolf, glad to hear about the Schiit gear.  I'll take a look into the products you mentioned
@eliottbnewcombjr Wow, thank you for your lengthy advice!  I'm no familiar with a lot of the technical measurements that are involved with speakers.  I do not use a subwoofer now.  Say I upgraded to the 936s before I chose an amp.  Could the PL EVO 100 (40wpc) drive such a load well?
As far as remote control goes, I can take it or leave it. I've never had it, I rarely if ever use the remote on my CD player. I just get up and do whatever needs doing :)
Thay Cayin looks nice, may be another one for me to consider.  Although the hybrid approach is attractive to me...power tubes are $$$

@tuberist I don't know much when it comes to speaker sensitivity.  If I were to upgrade to the 936, Focal's site says their sensitivity is 92dB, with recommended amp from 50-300W. Maybe the PL isn't a good choice if I go with those speakers...but as others have said, I should upgrade speakers first.

@rongold Glad to hear about your experience! :)  I think as people have said, I should upgrade speakers first, THEN find an amp. I guess I'll do that...