Discuss The Viv Lab Rigid Arm


I am trying to do my due diligence about this arm. I am just having a hard time getting my head around this idea of zero overhang and no offset. Does this arm really work the way it is reported to do?

neonknight

Again, not perfect but second best option behind the LT, that's all.

 

What you like is what you like and it's not my " business " and I can't disagree with what you like. End of dialogue because you never posted any fact/measurements for what you support, fine. Enough.

R.

Forgot: what you like is not the true issue ( at least with me. Yous did not get my point. ) but what is wrong or good.

 

R.

Ok I have a theory...

On a conventional arm with offset headshell..if you draw an imaginary line extending the cantilever, past its suspension point, all the way backwards to the plane of the arms pivot point. Viewed from the front of the cartridge, the new ultra-long cantilever will terminate at a point way above and to the right of the arms pivot point.

Now the theory...Attached here is a link that very graphically shows the magnitude of stylus drag. ( I  hope the link works)  watch to at least 4 mins.

Скатывающая сила как измерить (youtube.com)  

Now pull on the stylus ... due to the compliance of the cartridge suspension  AND the headshell offset, the end of our extended cantilever will move downwards and to the left. If there was enough travel in the cartridges suspension and if we pulled on the stylus hard enough, the extended cantilever would ultimately touch the arms pivot point. 

So back to an actual cartridge... the action of stylus drag causes the cantilever to squat down a little. This has been talked about in other forums, and I believe mentioned by Michael Fremer,  but the action of stylus drag with an offset headshell also causes the cantilever to move to the right when viewed from the front of the cartridge. By how much? I don't know... would it be enough to cancel a carefully set up Lofgren alignment? Possibly. Would it cause an increase tracking error distortion? Maybe. 

Would it mean that a underhung arm, when playing a record actually has less tracking error distortion than an offset overhung arm? IOW opposite to what the theoretical static calculations would suggest. ..Maybe. 

If this 'yawing' action is a thing, it would be constantly changing with the level of modulation. I could speculate that it would result in a kind of "dirtiness" to the sound and a sense of the stylus scratching its way thru the groove. 

Cheers. 

Another Viv protagonist here; it certainly appears that conventional thinking and experimentation was incomplete. One may apply the same to headshell, phono cartridge, phono amplifier. 

Imagine this, no offset, no anti skate, no rigid bearing, a pivoting headshell, i.e. Nasotec Swing, MM cartridge, no RIAA filter, no mechanical bonding of tonearm to spindle, must sound awful? 

Far from it. Very far, in fact. 

Rgds,

Paul