Discerning a difference between streamers is difficult...only me or common for all?


I have struggled to appreciate the upgrade to the streamer in my system. A couple years ago I had an Audio Research DAC 8 being fed by a Bluesound Node 2i. I picked up an Aurender N10 and did not appreciate anything so sold the N10. I tried a couple all-in-one units. First was the Aurender A20 and I was happy but curious about dCS. I got a Bartok 2.0 and felt the music was more natural sounding from the Bartok and sold the A20. I have always wanted the Audio Research DAC 9 to match all my other AR gear so got one that showed up on eBay a couple weeks ago. Since I couldn’t use the Bartok to stream I ordered a new Bluesound Node Nano so I could utilize the DAC 9 immediately. The pair sounded wonderful but I did not compare it to the Bartok. I ended up getting a quick buyer and it was already gone. The following week I purchase an Aurender W20. I was prepared to have my mind blown....but no. Some albums I could not tell any difference in the sound and others I think the W20 sounded slightly better but again...nothing huge. For the money and the space the W20 took on my shelf, I sold it. Over the years I always appreciate upgrades for all other components. This makes me feel like I am losing my mind. Have any others experienced this regarding streamers? I want to try more. Auralic and Lumin are on my list.

Thanks,

Dana

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I have been on the streamer/DAC roller coaster for the past year.+  From Cambridge, to Bluesound, to Eversolo, to Schiit, to PS Audio.  I ended up with Innuos Pulse fed by the Innuos Phoenix USB with Cardas Clear cable and a Bricasti M1S2 DAC.  Each step I found some improvement (so did my son and wife).  The Innuos Sense App is also a pleasure to utilize.  I would consider upgrading in the Innuos family, but I have not been able to hear an improvement with their Statement or NG lines over the Pulse/Phoenix combo.  The M1S2 will probably be upgraded when Bricasti issues an upgrade in a few years.

 

This hobby should be about finding the system that provides you with the upmost musical experience, not what others, whether they are professional reviewers, hobbyists, or friends, think or say. Too often this hobby is not.  So do not create stress for yourself regardless of whether others tell you they can or cannot discern differences between streamers.  It appears you have been diligent, exploring a number of excellent component streamers and reaching a conclusion on the one that satisfies you.  The fact that your choice is a lower cost option, or is published as not best in class, is not significant.  What is significant is that it blows your hair back.  Be happy.  My recommendation is to use the savings to immerse yourself live musical performances and listen to the real “absolute sound”.

Only last week, at a friend’s house we did a comparison between the streamer of a Hegel H590 vs a WiiM Pro Plus streamer. The WiiM was fed into to the Hegel via Optical and Coax at different points. The DAC used for all three instances was the Hegel’s. 
We also requested his wife- who likes to listen to music but is not fussed about the equipment at all- to give her opinion as to what sounded “better” to her. She couldn’t see which component was being used- not in her line of sight.

All three of us voted the WiiM as easily besting the Hegel’s streamer. We were very surprised. On coming back home (to Dubai, from NY where this took place), I bought a WiiM Pro Plus.

In my experience it’s all about system dependency. Personally I have found a significant positive difference with Aurender N20 and Grimm. Several others didn’t make an impact to justify the additional price vs my NUC i7. Even if the Aurender and Grimm made a significant difference, I didn’t feel that being big enough and decided to stay with NUC and rather add a Farad 3 with Shunyata power cable. I’m happy this way and I don’t feel the need to add another expensive box. 

You’re not crazy.  The sonic differences in upgrades become more subtle once you have high quality components in my experience.  I have moved from integrated components to separates over the years.  The biggest differences were in the speakers, DACs, streamers, and CD players.  The source and end point components.  Less with amps and preamps in my experience.  I moved from a Blusound Node N130 as a streamer to an Innuos Zen Mk3.  I noticed a difference.  Beyond a quieter background I found it stayed connected to my wi-fi better.  I use a cable from my router directly into the unit.  I have my equipment setup in such a way that I can A/B test when I try new components.  If I don’t hear a noticeable difference I return the new and more expensive gear as you did.  Trust your ears.