Directional wires/cables


Is there any reason to support the idea that cables, interconnects or any other kind of wiring can be considered directional? It seems that the theory is that carrying current will alter the molecular structure of the wire. I can't find anything that supports this other than in the case of extreme temperature variation. Cryo seems to be a common treatment for wire nowadays. Extreme heat would do something as well, just nothing favorable. No idea if cryo treatment works but who knows. Back to the question, can using the wires in one direction or another actually affect it's performance? Thanks for any thoughts. I do abide by the arrows when I have them. I "mostly" follow directions but I have pondered over this one every time I hook up  a pair.

billpete

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@soix  -  if a cable is shielded, then it should only be grounded on one end, usually on the source side.  If you ground both sides, then you are creating another full circuit and turning it into an antenna.

@billpete  -  I worked for company for 32 years that made speciality metal alloy wire, tubing and machined parts for the medical device market.  I was the 5th employee of what is the world leader in the market.  And I have drawn my share of both.  (FYI, the process of making metal tubing and wire from larger diameters, is to "draw" it, not to extrude it.  Extrusion is usually only done from the cast initial billet of metal by pushing it through a die.  In drawing the metal is pulled through the die.)

In a nutshell, the reason for the directionally of electrical flow is due to what is called the grain structure of the metal.  (Think of it like the cells in a leaf.)  As the material is drawn smaller and smaller, the grains become elongated (smaller and thinner) and pointed in the direction of the drawing force. The surface of the material is also undergoing changes in stresses.   And since electrons move along the surface of the metal, when they hit the grain boundries and jump to the next grain, it affects the electrical flow.  Thus, the electrons will flow smoother in one direction better than the other.

 

@roadcykler  -  Not to start a war here, but it is physics not sentienticy, and grain configuration/stresses in the metal do affect electron flow.  And that can be tested and measured.  A classic measurement is to take a straight wire and measure the resistance.  Now take that same wire and bend into a tight curve.  The resistance will go up because you are stressing the metal where the electrons flow across.

 

 

@audioman58  - 

The nitrogen atmosphere in the drawing process is to prevent the surface of the copper from oxidizing.  If the surface is oxidized, it will have a higher hardness level and create smaller grain sizes when drawn.  Smaller the grain size, the bigger the impact on the electron flow.

There are a lot of good videos on Youtube about "wire drawing" if interested.

Matthew,

I've been told the same thing by a different cable company.  When reading the writing, the flow is left to right.

As for the "learning" the direction, I've heard that as well.  While electron flow over time will affect the grain structure and stresses, It would take a LOT of continous current (high amperage) and building up of heat to completely alter the structure (i.e. annealing the metal).  Minor changes (key word being minor), that is dependant on the material, impurities, and initial grain size, but does happen.  Thus the infamous cable "break-in" period.

You might say that I started some of this discussion with my own misconceptions in regards to AC power flow, for which now I stand corrected and beg forgiveness.  

It has been a learning experience for me.

But @jea48, your last paragraph just made my brain explode.  Does that mean if Jimmy Page plays a cord on his guitar in LA that they can't hear it in NYC.   LOL

 

- Jeff

jea48....  I was making a bad joke about the question you raised....

"If the speakers were 3251 kilometres away would there be no signal- would the energy simply stop and turn back the other direction, and one would hear no sound from the speaker?"

 

I completely botched it up... not @jea48, but rather @mclinnguy....

I'm going to shut up now...