Digital music questions


I'm somewhat new to hi res digital audio and I'm looking for some tips. I have been building my system and have purchased McIntosh c2700, which has a DAC built in, a 462 amp, and B&W 802d4s. Using Apple Music, I have been streaming music through a Macbook Pro via a USB cable to the DAC of the c2700 preamp.

The McIntosh preamp states the streaming quality is 44.1 kHz, which seem to be the low end of high-res streaming. I currently have so many subscriptions, including Sirius XM for the cars and Apple Music for my family, and more recently Nugs for concerts, (not to mention video subscriptions...seems it never ends), so I was hoping not to add another paid subscription.

That being said, am I leaving a lot on the table? Would a dedicated streamer sound a lot better than the Macbook Pro? Are there streamers without DACs, so I can use the McIntosh DAC without purchasing redundant equipment? I understand I cannot use Apple Music to get high res audio to the preamp, as they only provide it through Apple equipment at this time. Can I get a streamer that uses the DAC of the c2700 preamp? Finally, do I then need to add another subscription, such as Tidal or Qobuz, to get high res audio? 

Thanks....it's a lot of questions, but I'm sure someone here can help!

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Showing 3 responses by ghdprentice

This is a great time in digital to be getting into high end audio..

First an overview. A streamer and a DAC are components like a preamp and amp. They both deserve the same consideration and investment levels. A Mac book or PC is a very inferior streamer. The best services are Qobuz (1), and Tidal (2)… most the rest are notably of lessor quality. These costs around $12/ month. Qobuz gives you access to well over a half a million high resolution albums and millions of CD quality albums. You need never purchase music again.

It is best for high end equipment to have a separate streamer box and DAC. Both strongly determine the sound quality. My rule of thumb is the reseach and buy the very best you can in both categories and it is likely a well balance system will end up with the cost of each component around the same, so streamer = DAC = preamp = amp.

Streamers (take a look at the Aurrender N200… for instance is an outstanding streamer). You plop it down and it will connect directly with Qobuz and you control it through an iPad. I highly recommend Aurender. They supply outstanding low end audiophile to the very best streamer on the market. I own one at each end.

The sound quality is primarily based on your equipment more so than the specific format (resolution). Recording variability will cause more difference than will the play back resolution in general. While there are exceptions. Over the last couple years I have listened to my streamers about 2,000 hours. I will frequently be surprised how good something sounds… I will think, “now that must be a high resolution recording”. I will look and it is only a red book CD quality… but a really good recording. The opposite occurs as well. So, the important thing is to work at getting a top quality streamer and DAC. They both matter.

 

A high quality streamer can be connected to the internet using a wall wart wifi extender. So you run an Ethernet cable to a nearby outlet where the extender is. Some folks go through elaborate exercises to “clean up” their whole internet signal… through fancy routers, power supplies, filtering devices. It is much easier just to buy a good quality streamer. It isolates the signal and output and provides a well timed signal for your DAC to use.

OP,

 

There are lots of long discussions on the 0’s and 1’s thing. It kept me from buying a good streamer for many years. Then you get one and your jaw drops and you stop worrying about the theory, it’s just true. But, a good streamer will cashe the bitstream, and the re-time it, it will isolates noise from the source… controls vibration. These things drop the noise floor phenomenally and increase the detail and dynamics.

Subject to the rest of your components, absolutely a Aurender is worth the cost in excess of a Bluesound. I have used PCs, MacBooks, iPads, inexpensive streamers… then $3.5K, $5K, $10K, $13K (extensively auditioned in my system), and $22K streamers. At each level I carefully chose the best… not just random only spending money. And at each level the sound was much better and worthy of the investment to someone who cares about sound.

@soix +1

 

@yage -1 All the words and logic you can muster about bits will not change the fact that vastly different sound quality comes from the same bits run through different components doing the same thing.