Digital integrated alternatives to SET tube system


Hello,

Recently I have been contemplating moving over to an all in one digital set up for my front end such as the Lyngdorf 2170 or Devialet 200 etc.  I have read the entire 2170 thread.

I currently run a tube pre to a Line Magnetic 508 (upgraded tubes on both) to Audionote AN-E Lx/He speakers (ANK kit 003). My source is mainly digital consisting of an Aries Mini running USB to my DAC. All interconnects are solid core silver.

I absolutely love the sound of my current set up but I don’t have any local dealer support or anywhere to test tubes etc. Any time I hear something "off" in my system, I’m reminded of this fact. Also the convenience factor of an all in one would be great and I’m sure my wife would agree!

I’m really looking for something that will sound amazing with my Audionotes. Most reviews I’ve found on these types of amps don’t really speak much on using them with high sensitivity speakers which makes sense in most cases. I do of course realize I will be giving up certain SET/tube characteristics.

I really like the Room Correction feature on the Lyndorf as well as having a few different EQ settings to play with, although they are "pre set".


Caveats:

1) Price $4600 US or $6000 Can used.

2) Must play nice with high sensitivity speakers and maintain dynamics/soundstage at lower volumes.

2) USB input would be a plus.

3) May or may not have an internal DAC.

4) I don’t like a lean/thin sound or truncated highs.


Please give me your recommendations and thoughts. Thanks.


hfaddict

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@djones51  Closest dealer is about 2.5 hours away.  But that would make a nice overnighter for the wife and I.  And they actually sell Audionotes as well so I wouldn't have to lug mine around.  I will give them a call on Monday just to BS over the idea.  Thanks! 

@erik_squires I'm a little worried myself.  If I'm making the change, I think I would prefer to give up tubes entirely in the chain.  But I do want to keep my AN speakers.

@maritime51  That Kinki EX M1 is very enticing, especially for the price point.  I read through the big thread on it as well.
Besides losing some richness and harmonics of the tube sound, does anyone care to wager a guess on what will happen to my bass response going to a digital amplifier?
@rodge827 I will give him a shout, thanks.  I do like the idea of more meat on the bones.  My music tastes are mostly modern folk/Americana, blues, reggae with everything else in between.  I'm not a very loud listener unless the Scotch is calling the shots so 25 watts would definitely suffice.

@audiothesis @shkong78 @jond   My mind is pretty much made up that I will be leaving tubes.  I don't mind buying gear and selling if it doesn't work out for me.  Losing a couple bucks here and there for in house "demos" is fine by me. 

I guess deep down I'm ready for a sound change as well. Although I don't want to part with my current speakers.

Thanks for the input.

Hi guys, sorry for the tardiness! I will just address these responses as a whole as responding to each one is quite time consuming. But I very much appreciate all the feedback.

So as of lately, I’m hooked on the Devialets. I have a friend whom I greatly respect his audio opinions who has run one on his AN-E’s in the past. He also came from SET amplification. He’s since moved onto entirely new set ups since but his input on this combo is promising. They are also drop dead sexy, easy to use and cleans up a lot of extra equipment. I also really appreciate the multitude of adjustability with these units (Speaker Active Matching, tone/balance controls, different firmware updates that can change the power levels/sonic characteristics etc) 

A little bit of background on my current system and why I think this combo may in fact work for me. It took me a lot of time, equipment and money to end up with the Audionotes. (I’ve had Spatial M3 TS, Tekton DI’s etc) But now that I’ve found the AN sound, I’m staying put.

@larryi You hit the nail on the head here. I’m thinking the synergy of a SS amplifier may work quite nicely with my speakers. The journey with the AN speakers has been an almost backwards approach to my previous experience. It seems most people are looking to tame down or remove any glare/gloss/edge/bite from their treble response and match up their components/cables accordingly to achieve this.

I have liked what the AN’s have done from day one but have been slowly trying to add back some bite/edge to the treble response. These speakers are highly detailed but a touch smooth on the top end for my liking (My speakers have the silver VC’s and copper wiring)

I have swapped over my interconnects to silver solid core with excellent results. I could still rewire my speakers with silver internally or go with silver speaker wires vs my copper ones. But I’m thinking a SS amp may provide me with the top end I desire. May be a great synergy here.

There are going to be very obvious trade offs and a completely different sonic character. But that’s half the fun. I do also have a JL E110 sub that could come out to play if I feel my bass response is too controlled/thin vs my tubes. The mid range magic will be the biggest adjustment for me I’m sure.

But it will also be a relief to just set it and forget it and stop trying to over analyze and troubleshoot every little sound change with my tubes.

Sorry for rambling!

@grannyring Thanks Granny. I've followed along on your 2170 comments and your DI mods as well.  Great to have some comparison with higher efficiency speakers.  Really like the fact it can maintain composure at the lower volumes.
@audioman58 That is a gorgeous amp, I'd take the Walnut!  Thank you. More food for thought.

@mapman Thanks, Bel Canto seems to do no wrong when most people talk about them.

@atmasphere I do have spares but I’ve had poor experiences purchasing tubes over the years already. Had a brand new power tube fail within a month or so. And a NOS Black Treasure flare up and die the first time I plunked it in. With these being matched pairs, it makes it harder to find another spare. I’m also finding the sound just doesn’t seem to be 100% consistent day to day. I’ll sometimes get flutter or static here or there, slightly shifting soundstage or things are good for a week at a time. Now days I’m having a hard time taking off my analytical hat and just being able to enjoy the music. And troubleshooting a pre amp/amp with 11 tubes in the system just doesn’t tickle my fancy any more and as they age it won’t get much better. Would be a different story if I was near a major center or in a circle of tube buddies.

I very much appreciate all the help you guys have given me. I did end up making a deal on a used Devialet 200 yesterday. The price was right and I know someone with first hand experience with this exact set up. He also has experience with low power tubes, hybrids and the Lyngdorf 2170 running his Audionotes. So I can take some comfort that I may yet find happiness. If not, there’s lots of fish in the sea :)

It will definitely take some time to transition out of the sound I’m used to.

Thanks again everyone.




@atmasphere All great tips for any tube users! I am excited to try out the Devialet once I get it home. Although I’m just getting home from work, then leaving the country for two weeks. Oh well, something to play with once I’m home. And I’ve already got my pre and power amp sold!

@cytocycle Very much appreciate the suggestion. I have picked up a Devialet 200 for now. I am curious to see how the silver cables work in the system as the Audionotes tend to lean on the warmer/saturated sound without treble glare. May be a match made in heaven. If not, I've got 3 pairs of Audioquest Mackenzies to swap in for now.

On another note, I couldn’t pass up a deal on a set of new LS50W’s and matching stands for a second system/bedroom. Lots of fun to be had when I get home.



Hello guys and girls,

I wanted to return to this thread to give my impressions on the Devialet 200/Audionote pairing.  I'm very impressed with this amplifier in sound presentation as well as features. 

It took a few days to get accustomed to the sound compared to the SET rig.  As soon as I took the tubes out of the system and got the Devialet dialed in, the sound took on a more "exciting" sound.  The amount of resolution and detail on this amplifier is incredible.  And paired with the excellent bass response, it feels like I've got more band width to play with now. 

The bass seems to play lower than the Line Mag but not as rounded.  Works really well with the rest of this amp's presentation. 

Obviously the mid range is not as forward in the way a SET amp projects it.  It is still very realistic but doesn't carry the human voice with quite the weight it once had.   

I feel like I've really struck gold here.  With the synergy of the Audionotes being on the warm (ish) side with that tonal saturation, this amp brings out the best of them for my listening preferences.  I've gained more air and reach on the top end with nothing bloated or exaggerated on the bottom.  Very engaging with no hint of fatigue.  A caveat, my speakers have silver voice coils with copper cables internal/external. 

Sound stage size is very comparable.  May be a bit wider with a touch less depth, hard to say here.  Height has actually increased. 

Anyways, very cool amp with great features and works splendidly with high sensitivity speakers such as Audionotes!