Did I just cook my preamp?


I have a Simaudio Moon 110LP phone preamp amplifying a Dynavector 20X2L cartridge on a VPI Classic. It feeds in to an Outlaw Audio RR2160 amp which drives Magnepan LRS speakers.
 

I recently moved and two months in I realized my speaker placement wasn’t quite right, so today I reorganized my listening room. This involved unplugging some power cables but I kept most of the interconnects in place. I did have to disconnect the phone stage from the amplifier.

 

After getting things back into place, I listened to some music using coaxial input before reconnecting the interconnects of the phono stage. When I tried to, I actually got some electric current that burned my hand slightly. This came from the back of the amplifier. I made sure everything was unplugged and tried again - this time a spark and smoke from the interconnect making contact to the back of the amplifier.

 

I’m so confused why this would happen, but eventually I did get everything connected. Now the output from the phono stage is just a bump every 1 second. It doesn’t amplify the signal from the TT.

 

My amplifier has a built in phono stage and using this I was able to verify that the turntable is still producing a signal. The built in phono stage sounds terrible, however, as thin and flat as paper. It is music, however.

 

When I connect the phono stage to the power, the blue light on the front illuminates for a moment and then goes dark.

 

Incredibly, when I was unplugging the phono preamp, I actually got some current from simply touching the exterior of the box. Something is seriously wrong and dangerous with my setup, and this box was grounded to the turntable with a ground cable, which was connected to the outlet with a three prong cable with ground.

 

Has anyone experienced anything like this before? I will email Simaudio and see if they’ll repair it. I’m also taking recommendations for replacements. I liked the 110LP and maybe will just replace with the 110LPV2.

obarrett

Showing 8 responses by devinplombier

@obarrett 

Odds are that your phono stage's outboard power supply has a short to ground.

Linear power supplies run hot and are generally the first component to fail.

isnt that it? 69Vac on LoZ is a major issue, right?

It's most likely a major issue with your meter. A good meter should accurately measure a hard voltage in either standard or LoZ modes.

 

Look folks, it's simple. Watch me say it in five easy steps.

1. Disconnect all components, from the wall and from each other. 

2. Test each component for internal shorts using the continuity feature of your DMM. This is completely safe, and you can't damage any component any more than it already is.

3. If no shorts are found, take your components to a tech for further diagnosis. 

4. If a short is found, take shorted / faulty component to a tech for repair.

5. Return your defective DMM for refund.

Questions? Please do ask 🙂

@obarrett 

Not criticizing, just outlining a simple, safe protocol. 

A couple things though: 

- Stop using LoZ mode. It is dysfunctional in your particular meter, and in any event it is not appropriate in this situation.

- Do you still measure 120V between your two grounds when your DMM is set to standard AC voltage mode?

- If so, you may be looking at a bootleg ground AND reverse polarity at one of the outlets. Unusual but lethal.

- If that were the case though, it's likely been there for much longer and would have manifested in the past.

But if that is in fact the issue, it is super dangerous.

I've looked at different scenarios for how the equipment ground could be Hot to a known EGC ground and the test with the mm would be flawed.

The most common instance is when an equipment ground is not present at the outlet box. Therein a two-wire branch circuit wiring. A homeowner replaces a two-wire duplex receptacle with a three-wire grounding type duplex receptacle. He wants a ground, so he installs a jumper wire from the neutral terminal on the receptacle and connects it to the safety equipment ground terminal. Called a Bootleg ground. Very Dangerous! It doesn't matter if a plug-in circuit tester is used, or a digital multi-meter is used it will show the presence of a ground. 

One danger with a Bootleg ground is if the Hot and neutral conductors are reversed on the duplex receptacle. That's not good... The ground contact of the outlet will be HOT!

Bootleg ground and reverse polarity, isn't that exactly what I said?

 

I concur, a professional electrician is definitely your next step.

It’s a detail, but since your landlord is required to pay for the electrician’s bill, you might want to give them a heads up if you haven't already.

@obarrett 

Reverse polarity OR bootleg ground alone won't manifest until something else goes wrong. It's the combination of the two that is potentially lethal, because any grounded (3-prong cord) piece of equipment you plug into such an outlet sees its chassis, cover (and anyone who touches it) energized.

Please do post your electrician's findings. Curious now! smiley