Denafrips Terminator II 12th anniversary VS. Terminator PLUS 12th anniversary


I currently have a Pontus II 12th as my first dive into digital and since I have been enjoying the flexibility of having digital as a supplement to my vinyl front end, I have been considering potential upgrades (sigh. it never ends, does it).

I am a bit confused about these two offerings, however, and was wondering if anyone has heard them both:

Terminator Plus 12th - $7700 approx USD
Terminator II 12th - $4975 approx USD

An approximate $2725 premium for the PLUS. The only difference in specs I could find is 'high end OXCO' in the PLUS and a 'fancier' faceplate. I'm not sure if these small differences warrant a ~55% premium?

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As a side note, I do enjoy the Pontus II I have now, but after hearing some higher end DACs recently - Lampizator Poseidon was a big stand out - it's glaringly obvious that the Pontus II is a lower price point DAC. 😅 While it definitely sounds excellent for the price point, I'm definitely wanting for more, even with the Gaia DDC.

It's not quite as 3D and can get a little bit veiled sounding to me - especially on the top end sometimes. The better DACs I've heard are better able to get that 3D effect and get more detail and air around the top end without sacrificing a laid back or natural sound.

While I was enthralled with the Poseidon I heard, it's quite outside of my price range (and I simply do not have room for that monster of a DAC, nor pretty much any of the Lampi DACs due to their height). I feel like it probably makes more sense to stick with Denafrips for an upgrade as I can continue using the Gaia with either of the Terminator options easily.

I am open to consider other DAC options in the 5-10k range, but need to be 7" or shorter (with feet). I'm not really interested in any streaming/DAC combination units as I use a stand alone digital source (Innuos Zen mk3) so would prefer to have a DAC without all that extra stuff thrown in.

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Now you don’t have to  worry the New Terminstor Gen-15  now has the exact Terminator +  ocxo oven controlled shielded sealed clock s  a few capacitor difference is now the only difference  they are very close now for much less $ monies , next year a Terminator + Gen -15 will be coming out  

the new Terminator Gen-15 is the way to go , vs the Holo springs May KTE 

the new Terminator Gen- 15 has a bitt more depth of image and slightly warmer .

the KTE ifyou like more neutral.

Yes I have owned many dacs and in a Very large Audio club and having owned a Audiostore until 2015 and before in the U.K after Alvin left I reached out As. 4 decade Audiophile Denafrips had no representation  now I do I  show retail pricing 

but offer attractive pricing when emailed through my advert Audioman58 email 

address. Without hesitation the 12th was not a upgrade much imo 

the Gen-15 dacs much better ,the new engineering decided to move most  models

to the next upper model , Thst is how I know I own the new Pontus Gen15 

and Terminator and  compared with the older 12th anniversary , a noticable increase in resolution and soundstage width and depth,if you look at the terminator pages it even showed Terminator Plus on the shielded isolated Dual oven Clocks.

 

I am a Denafrips online Dealers , the New Terminator Gen-15  is the Terminator 12+ ,as well as the New  Pontus 15 is = to the Venus 12th 

the Venus is discontinued a new Venus 15 coming out next month 

the Terminator is Identical even on the most critical part of the dac The Ultra precision shielded encapsulated Dual Oven ⏰ Clocks are the same it says right on the clocks Terminator plus look in the ad I just took these close up pictures this week to the terminator on top of my rack and compared them to a Audiophile in our
large Audiophile club , Exact.  Where the 12th was not a valid upgrade IMO ,upgrade IEC ,better silver wiring and transformers a bit better . The Gen 15. is a evolutionary upgrade, the New engineers thought the Enyo, Ares worth the upgrades , the Pontus,stepped into the Venus , and Terminator to the plus ,a great strategic move and save $1000s in engineering costs ,and the buyer benefits ,at least the ones who are technical ,that is why I pointed this out. next year maybe a Terminator 15+ , at the moment the Terminator Gen-15 is the current flagship it says so on their website  I am using this with a Gaia and or Hermes DDC trying to see if it’s worth the extra $500 for the Gaia  .maybe 2-3% better Maybe. I hope that helps .

Yes the new engineers thought That from a engineering stand point last fall they upgraded to lower noise regulators ,better tolerances in certain capacitors in key areas and higher performance clocks ,especially the oven controlled clocks,

by doing this they could save well over $100 k  in R&D  just to move 

from the Pontus to Terminator up one mode just look at the Venus 15 for example 

a whole new much Bigger case and at 42 lbs ,on the Terminator now it clearly 

shows on the sealed shieldedDual Oven Clocks - Terminator Plus on the cover 

The only difference no machined rounded front plat or cover . It’s all very apparent if you cross reference , and a $12-$1400 savings to the consumer vs last years model it’s a win win for Denafrips as well as the consumer.

Just today Denafrips announced a Terminator 15+ coming out by mid January 

$8k retail  with their $500 off I  provide my own discount .

I am the sales rep and find out the same day as the adverts ,communications Surprise !!

 

The New Terminator 15  plus+ is better but I hav3 not seen the details 

therefore I don’t know exactly the details yet ,for $600: more in Parts quality 

I  will find out soon .