DENAFRIPS DAC ---- Owner Impressions, Feedback, General Discussion, Questions and more....


Thread for OWNER IMPRESSIONS, FEEDBACK, QUESTIONS, ETC. regarding DENAFRIPS DACs.

DENAFRIPS lists the following R2R DACs:

Ares, Pontus, Venus, and Terminator (in increasing price order).

"DENAFRIPS incorporated in year 2012, focus in developing high end audio equipment at a very affordable price. Throughout the years of intense Research & Development, and continuous improvement of the product lines, DENAFRIPS had finally settled with the current product range equipped with R-2R ladder DAC technology. The reason behind this is the designer strongly believe that R-2R DAC is the best way to reproduce music.

The name, DENAFRIPS, stand for:

D-ynamic
E-xquisite
N-atural
A-ttractive
F-idelity
R-efined
I-ntoxicating
P-ure
S-ophisticated

This mean a lot and it is the house-sound of all DENAFRIPS products." [Copied From Denafrips About Us section]
david_ten
@danasam  Terrific write-up and story. Thanks for sharing your take on the Ares and then the Pontus. I'm looking forward to learning about your full impressions with the Pontus, once it is broken in...and perhaps a comparison of what it brings to the table over the Ares.

Great first post. Keep posting!
Hello all,

First a little background: 
I am a lifelong audiophile and a retired Aerospace EE.  I usually don't find time to engage in audio blogs/forums/discussion groups, but felt compelled to do so this time.  I still have a great vinyl rig, but over the last ten years or so have become hooked on the convenience of the digital format.  Like most of us I have been pursuing a more analog and life-like sound from my digital source.  To that end I have been purchasing the latest DACs based on the Sabre chip.  Recently they introduced the new 9038 DAC chip and I found myself ready purchase one.  But wait, shouldn't I do a little investigation before spending my hard earned cash ?

What I learned:
I learned that R2R ladder DACs were making a big comeback.  In my career I had worked with DACs, they were all R2R back then, mostly 8 bits.  The Delta-Sigma DACs, like the 9038, came on strong when digital audio was introduced.  They were cheaper than the R2R DACs and didn't require the high precision resistors needed for a 16 bit and higher R2R DAC.  What I found out is that the .01% (and higher) precision resistors were no longer a problem for going to 20 bits and higher.  Maybe Delta-Sigma was cheaper, but was it losing something when producing the audio signal ?   All the reports of  the more analog and lifelike presentation from newest batch of R2R DACs intrigued me.   There was the Schiit Yggdrasil, Holo Audio Spring, Metrum Audio DACs, etc.  No matter what I read the name Denafrips kept coming up as the value leader in R2R DACs, a real giant killer in the world of R2R audio DACs.  There entry level Ares DAC was highly rated and super affordable at ~$700US.

Enter Denafrips & Alvin of Vinshine Audio
I contacted Alvin and my Ares DAC was delivered about a week later.  I play audio files from laptop via JRiver s/w and the USB intfc.  I loaded the Amanero USB driver onto my laptop and was ready to play.  Oh, I almost forgot below is a list of eqpt. in my main audio system:

-  one-off DC coupled vacuum tube preamp (designed by yours truly:)
-  Atmasphere  S-30 stereo OTL amplifier
-  Emerald Physics EPX-Pro speakers with custom ribbon super-tweeter added on top

I hit play and was immediately struck with the ease of presentation, clarity, and overall sense of a good analog playback :)  Like good 180 gram vinyl with no surface noise, and a bit better dynamics and sound stage/layering, WOW !  After an hours warmup there was even a bit more improvement.  Being an engineer at heart I tend to trust numbers & specs, but through the years have realized that they don't always tell the whole story, especially in audio.  To that end I have developed a couple of simple tests that tell me if I have a real improvement :

1) seat time:
If I sit for long listening sessions without fidgeting and getting up every few minutes to adjust the speaker toe-in or subwoofer level etc., then something is right, the ear-brain interface is happy and enjoying the music, not worrying about something that seems a bit off.  With the Ares I just sat there with a smile on my face, wondering why it took so long for me to try this :)

2) new music tracks:
OK, we all have our favorite songs we play on our system, a sort of comfort food that makes us happy, come on admit it !  It makes all that money we spent on our system seem worth it.  We also have tracks that we don't really care for when played on our system, a little too harsh, maybe a bit lacking in bass or whatever.  When I try a major change in my system I first go to the comfort food tracks, like the doctors oath of "do no harm" they should sound fine or hopefully better, ahhh !  Next up I try tracks that have never been favorites, to see what I think now.  With the Ares I listened to about 10 tracks that I previously had passed up.  With most of them I could now listen with no irritation, and although most still weren't my cup of tea I could now appreciate the artistry.  For a few tracks by  Emmy Lou Harris', I heard her voice as it should be for the first time, I instantly added some of her songs to my favorite list, new comfort food, oh joy !

conclusion of Denafrips part #1:
After a couple of days with Mr. Ares I could contain my enthusiasm no more, I just had to tell my audiophile buddies !  My good friend John was excited, I offered to let him borrow Mr. Ares for an audition and he agreed.  What had I done ?  Could I live without Mr. Ares in my system for a few weeks ?  Certainly not !  I went out on the 'net and found a used one in the US that I could get in a few days, bought it immediately, whew.  So . . .  after a few weeks with the Ares I decided to move up the Denafrips line and ordered a Pontus DAC (~$1700US). Oh, back to my friend John, he put Mr. Ares in his system and after a brief listen said with his previous DAC it was like listening to a 4th generation copy of a song, whereas with the Ares it was like listening to the master  !  Back to the Pontus, he arrived a few days ago, much more substantial looking than the Ares, and oh so handsome in silver .  Alvin says as good as the Ares is, the Pontus is a major improvement.  Alvin was right, Mr. Pontus is definitely a big step up the DAC chain.  Upon hearing that I had stepped up to the Pontus my friend John ordered his.  I am going to let the Pontus break-in for a few more days before I write up a report on the large silver beauty  . . . . stay tuned  . . . 

danasam 


@edincleve I'll be posting my initial and 'early-burn-in' impressions of the SEs later tonight. I'll PM you after I do so.

The DI SEs are excellent speakers. As always, what you value in speaker performance will play into how you feel about the choices you are considering. PM me so I can help more specifically.

Congratulations on the Ares purchase. I look forward to your impressions.

Since I'm delaying the DAC comparison until the SEs break-in, which is still ongoing, I have rotated the Schiit Yggdrasil in. This should allow for a healthy run-in time and let me listen to it for some time. It has been out of system for over a month now.

The Terminator is very good. I say that with confidence since I have a full month of experience with it. It is different than the Yggy. More specifics when I do the proper head to head comparison.
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@david_ten

Any impressions on the speakers yet. I have considered the Tekton Double Impact SEs and the Impact-Monitors as well as the Spatial M4s & M3s. Unfortunately I haven't heard any of them. One speaker I did hear & liked was the Elac Adante at AXPONA this year. At least that speaker is only about a 100 miles away at a dealer so I can go hear it before I make my decision.

I also just received a Denafrips Ares. I'm going to let it cook for a several days before I do any listening to it. Anxious to hear your view of the Terminator.
I went with the Tekton Design Double Impact Special Edition (SE) speakers.

I home auditioned the Volti Audio Rivals. I really liked these horn-hybrids, but decided to wait until I can save up for one of Greg Robert's full horn speakers.

I also considered Spatial Audio and Pure Audio Project, for this go-around.
Congratulations on the Danafrips and the new loudspeaker. What is your new loudspeaker? Just curious.
The Denafrips Terminator is broken in and is performing very well.

I’ve been waiting for a speaker delivery, which was planned and scheduled for before the Denafrips DAC was delivered. The speaker was delivered yesterday. My original plan was to have the new speaker fully broken in and to have a significant amount of personal listening time with it, before introducing the Terminator into my system.

I will hold off on posting my impressions etc. about the Terminator until the speaker is broken in and I’m familiar with it.
I just recently have taken a hard look at the Denafrips DACs.  Relating to stfroth's description that this DAC is a tad dark sounding.  I believe that it mostly has to do with their choice of using Elna Cerafine and Elna Silmic capacitors.  The Elna caps are very nice, but they do have a very laid back "tube like" sound.  Even the Cerafine is like that -- has an extreme amount of bass, but not as much midrange or high frequency attack and detail when compared to something like Nichicon caps.  This could be a great DAC depending on your tastes.
Had the Denafrips Ares coming through here a while back - excellent sounding DAC especially for its very modest asking price.

It has a few ergonomically shortcomings the silkscreen on the faceplate is almost unreadable, dark gray print on black in 20 pt font or smaller and the almost impossible to see 1mm LED indicator lights, they ought to change this to white print and larger LED's - I did on mine :-)

Good Listening

Peter
@stfoth  Nice write up and a good summary. Thank you.

"Curious about the Terminator."  I am also. : )
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Two weeks of run-in time logged on the Terminator. Sound quality and performance continues to improve.

A general shout out to @faziod  @ilcg1 @4hannons @whitestix @stfoth @guych and @nycjlee to post your impressions of your Denafrips DACs
I know a guy AB tested Ares with Metrum Octave 2. 

This is what he said:
"Alvin, i was able to make the ares run. Played and listen side by side with my metrum acoustic. I think my metrum will be for sale in the next few days. The ares just sound so good."
I would like to ask does anyone compare Denafrips Ares to Metrum Musette DAC? Thanks
Hi @milpai   I will. It has been in system and running signal for a week now.

It has not replaced anything at this time. My primary DAC has been the Schiit Yggdrasil. I'll be comparing these two, likely towards the end of November. If I am able to, then the Exogal Comet Plus after that.
Hey David,
How about you posting an impression of the Terminator? What DAC did the Terminator replace? Any comparisons?
I own and have the Terminator in my system.

I have no affiliation with or financial interest in DENAFRIPS or Vinshine Audio (the distributor) or any other DENAFRIPS related entity.
Starting this thread because of the limited and spread out information on the various DENAFRIPS DACs. Hopefully consolidating to one thread will be helpful for those who currently own, have demo'd or are considering purchasing one of the DENAFRIPS DACs.