D-SONIC SOA Class-D Core Amps. The best Class-D ?

Here he goes again or should I say he does not hear!

"as well as the very innovative in house switching designs by DAT and their Cherry Ultra mono amps, Arion Audio, Nuforce and their Reference 18's, the DS450M from Audio Research which has the second largest power supply in the world for a Class D amp,"

First I would like to point out it is "DAC" and not "DAT" and it is "Ultra Cherry". But hey, you have never ever actual heard them so why should you care.

Well the difference is I HAVE!!

I, unlike you, have heard the Cherry amps, the Arion amps, the NuForce amps, the ARC amps, the Spectron amps, oh wait you forgot those did you not, and many more! What, these are supposed to be NEW designs. Well the Arions are not that new, the Cherry not so much, and the NuForce, ah, not so much too.

I love how your SCREAM of the high price of the Veritas but make no such mention of the high price of the ARC and we all know the coming monos from Jeff Rowland will be pricey.

And REALLY, BINDING POSTS. And of a brand and type that has won high praise for the design and PERFORMANCE. It must have been a kick in the teeth when you fond out that EVEN A BLIND MAN had NO PROBLEM with THEM.

Now back to the fact that I have actual heard those amps.

All of them are very fine designs however the ARC IMO has the worst sound of the bunch. I can hear the "Class D sound". I was very disappointed because I like ARC and thought it was going to be my next amp. Oh wait these are the ones that, I quote you "Audio Research which has the second largest power supply in the world for a Class D amp,". When are you and others stop with the "if it is bigger, has more in it, is complex design, etc, then it HAS TO BE BETTER BS! Sometimes less and simple SOUNDS BETTER, PERIOD!

I must say I was also very disappointed in the NuForce. I found it to be veiled. And also truncated in the highs.

The Arions are not bad for the money but again there is some limits on the sound.

The Cherry almost gets there. In fact I think many people would find something to like.

The Spectron, as a mono block only with the options, beats them all. It really does a fine job. But then we are around $12,000 so it better beat them all.

But it in no way, shape or form beats the Veritas or the Mola-Mola. I have not heard the Atsah yet.

Please keep in mind I have heard all of these against each other at times, in my system at times and in friends systems at times. Some more then once against each other.

I agree with Guido. And you can do better, you just need to spend a lot more or get a big, hot, heavy, eats electric, more expensive, Class A Pass Labs XA200.5 mono blocks.

REALLY WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THE VERITAS AND THE NCORE NC1200?

I MEAN OTHER THEN BEING JEALOUS.

BECAUSE IT REALLY SHOWS THAT YOU CAN NOT BE AND ARE NOT OBJECTIVE AT ALL.

Audiozen

Absurd=you

Snob=you

Know it all who thinks he knows it all=you

Agenda=you

Now substitute "Audiozen" were "you" are above. Wow, it really takes a BIG head to think you are a ZEN to us mere audiophools.

"swamp land in Puerto Rico" Really, again really were do you get your absurdity and no that was not a question.

Oh, and DO NOT CALL ME BRO!

Audiozen, (and I use that pharse lightly), I quote you.

"12-19-12: Audiozen
The core problem with many Class D amps on the market such as Bel Canto, Nuforce, Red Dragon, Hypex, CIA, Wyred4Sound
and other light weight, cool running switching designs is that they are wall dependent, needing to rely on dedicated 15 or 20 amp a.c. lines since they lack large power supplies from a large bank of capacitors found in A and A/B
amps which sound better for that reason."

"If you want the best musical performance from a class D amp as the DS450M, don't waste your time on the 12 to 18 pound class D amps that will never provide the large current reserves since they lack large capacitor banks which is critically necessary to get the best performance from a full range speaker."

So, from your "expert opinion" the D-sonic can not possible sound great because it is "light weight", etc.

Several times I have asked if you EVER have heard the DS450M and you never answer. So if you have never heard it HOW can you say it sounds better then the others. And DO NOT say because of the tech and/or specs. And regardless according to you the D-sonic sounds great.

The D-sonic may sound very good, maybe even great. I can not give an OPINION as I have not heard it yet.

But I have heard the DS450M and can say IMHO it does not sound as good as the DAC, Spectron, Mola-Mola and the Veritas Amps. I would even say that the Arion Amps sound better.

Audiozen, there you go again.

If Guido is the "Pope" then you must be "King Henry VIII"!

No one here is following your "proclamations".

You make no sense with your statements that D-sonic is the best, because it uses two different class d tech. Are they both the best? OK, lets say it is the one in the Marten amps. I quote you "the world's finest Class D amp, the M amp from Marten at $45K a pair." Oh, ONLY $45,000 a PAIR. Is that all. Was it not you who ridiculed the Veritas and the Mola-Mola for being SO expensive. That is not a question.

You seem to want your cake and eat it too.

Why are you attacking Guido. He has said he would like to hear the D-Sonic amps sometime.

Is It because you are afraid of him comparing them and speaking the truth of what he hears. That is sure the way it is coming across.

I also would like to hear the D-Sonic sometime. As others. I have heard so far, the DAC, Spectron, ARC, Bel Canto, Mola-Mola, Veritas, DIY NC400 and a few more.

Mcbuddah, please take as long a post as you need to describe your impressions of any equipment. Please ignore the talking head/s.

Thank you for the update. Please give us more once you have additional time hearing them in a stable system. Also can you give us what your system is made up of.

Looking foreword to an unbiased impression from someone who has ACTUALLY HEARD them.

Audiozen, or should I call you the Czar, I am sure the Marten M Amps sound great, Oh wait I never heard them yet so now I am talking like you. OK, what I mean is I expect them to perform well, and they should at 45,000 a pair regardless the brand. I respect the Marten brand.

As far as the Veritas it is VERY obvious that you have a real bad case of AGENDA.

Merrill is not the only OEM that does not want others to know what they have done to their product or allow inside shots.

And I can assure you it is not just the a case and the two stock modules and nothing else done.

Do not ask me as I do not know the details. But I do know there is more to it.

You mention how the Marten is so heavy and infer that the Veritas is not and so because of that it is inferior. But then by that would not the D-Sonic be so.

Again you want your cake and eat too.

Look, in the world of Audiophile you can not always compare apples to apples anymore.

I think it is most telling that you make most of these statements as fact or as first hand experience but in almost all the cases you have NOT actually heard what ever you praise or put dawn.

Sorry but you can not hear specifications and technology on paper. Too many times the best on paper did not sound the best upon actually hearing it. It still must convey the emotion of the music.

Lets call a truce. You make no more disparaging remarks about the Veritas or Father, oops, Pope Guido and I. I will then have no reason to correct your statements.

But seriously lets try and move on from here, OK.