Cryogenic Treatment of Tubes, and why you should not.


Came across this paper while ago on cryo treating tubes and thought iI'd share it here.  There is some other great information on tubes on the site as well. 

Cryogenic Treatment of Tubes: An Engineer’s Perspective - Effectrode

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it never made sense and is part of the hoodoo voodoo schtick that is so present in this space.

Yeah, anything beyond zip cord and you are out. We get it. Over and over and over......

It’s a (maybe) engineer pondering things. In parts interesting, in parts long-winded, definitely not scientifically rigorous - just pondering, which I do a lot of myself. All we can really do is decide for ourselves. I have indeed thought about the "structrual" problem, and subjecting tubes to an unecessary freezing cycle. But what do I know? I’m not a structural, materials, chemical, electrical, nor tube engineer. Tubes don’t have a virtual machine or compiler for me to get into how they work.

I’ve had cryo tubes from various sources over the years. At times I thought some of them sounded "awfully" good for that tube type/brand. So when I started regularly buying sets of 6H30 and KT120 from Upscale (every 2 years or so), I would often tick the "Cryo" option, at an extra 8 bucks a tube. Did this for several sets over the years. But then just stopped - realized I wasn’t hearing a meaningful difference versus non-cryo sets of the same tubes. Got a mix of both now in my stash. But I haven’t bought cryo in years and won’t anymore.  I won’t kick the cypos out of the stash either, but it’s just a "meh" and "cool sticker" when I think about it now. Nothing takes the "exotic" feeling out of something like repitition and familiarity. 

Cryo'd anything is a marketing scam. Ask an actual metallurgist and they'll straighten it out for you.

The ability to hear a difference is a function of how resolving your system is.

If your whole system is below ~$30k, there’s an awful lot you’re not going to be able to hear.

In my own case, a few years ago I concluded I could not hear any difference between using the volume control on my DAC, which has a remote, and using the volume control on my integrated 300B amp, which doesn’t have a remote.  Since then I have made lots of upgrades in other parts of the system.  Out of curiosity I went back and compared the two again.  Now it’s apparent that not using the volume control on the DAC improves the depth of the soundstage significantly.  All of my friends can hear it’s deeper

As Einstein probably said, everything is relative.

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