Cryo treated wires?

"though I have a funny feeling you have made your mind up already."

"I would be surprised if cryo did nothing" is the only opinion I gave about the sonic effects of cryo. I apologize if my points were not clear.

Craig - why do you attribute (part) the sonic difference between old 6awg and 10 awg wire from Virtual Dynamics to cryogeneics? "The VD on-line literature says the cryo treated products allow one to see "deeper into the music". I think VD just reaped benefits of marketing, using an ambiguous statement.

I would be surprised if cryo did nothing, but I question the opportunity of cost of cryoing a $40 PC. I would avoid finding answers from VD an Jena. All they did was tap in to the cold rush, and neither site explains anything.

If you can find it, buried in AA archives is at least one person(a manufacturer I think) comparing cryo and non cryo using the same cable. He could not find a real differece, but I have forgotten the system he tried them on, if it was mentioned.

Garfish - Rainchild wants to know what cryo does. I do not have cables that differ only in cryoness, so I can't comment. I have as much knowledge of its effects as you do. I would be surprised if there was not a difference under certain to many circumstances. Your experiment, however is confounded, but not only do you claim cryo is beneficial, you claim to know how it affects the sound, by repeating an ambiguous statement from a website. That can be misleading and is what I reacted to.

"However, I've read many, many positive reviews of the beneficial effects of the cryo process on parts that could affect music quality, and I wanted to try it myself-- so I did with the above results. I read a lot, and get much information that way, and yes some of it is advertising."

Thanks for answering. All I wanted to know is how you became so sure from the very weak evidence you initially published. Something as potentially subtle as cryo requires stricter conditions. As far ridiculous, I think it would be easier to admit that you don't really know than to hire an electrician. Maybe you share the source of a couple of those many, many convincing reviews for R.C. and others to look over.

"Is all advertising false?"

Oh gee, ummm, no.

"or does some meet with approval?"

If subjective(especially), I would think it would at least have to be substantiated, which is what has not been done.

"Please enlighten us."

If you to answer someone's question with an subjective advertisement claim, then the contribution you made is worthless. VD's cryo claims are unsubstantiated in this thread, and VD's cryo goals are obvious. You tried to make a connection between your experience and VD's cryo claim, but logically(b/c of your confounds), you can't do that. Happy birthday

I didn't comment on your integrity, just your reasoning.

You know, I could (should!?) buy something cryo'd, but I still couldn't make any conclusions about how cryo affected what I just bought. I would still know what I know now. And yes, I have read (conflicting) audio reviews of cryo, I know some details of the process, but I don't think its reasonable to tell someone what cryo does based on my summation of those reviews, advertisements and my confounded experience. Nothing personal, I just wanted to point out that problem. I hope now my points are now clear to at least some impressionable readers, but I doubt it matters.

"I find myself in good company."
Nice try.

Good suggestion, Hdm. I am not sure how cryo, that particular outlet and my system will react together. I live in an apartment and my audio interest is waning, so I may never know :) In a high resolution system, I am sure the differece would be obvious, and if the system was managed well enough, the effect of cryo would be benefitial. Albert has practically everything but his chassis screws cryoed and it is not possible to believe he would still hold an interest in cryo if it did not benefit his system.

"What if 2 different cables were cryoed? Will they sound indentical in sonic character after that?"
My argument from a different direction - no.

I don't need to test or read to know that any reasonable change in an ultimate resolution system will affect the sound. Similar to what I stated at the beginning, I would be surprised if cryo had no affect/benefit on your nice system, Garfish. But there is a large difference between believing (even 99.999% sure) it would have an effect and publishing on what that effect is. This leads to my point that conclusions based on second-hand subjective information tied with confounded experience is not enough evidence to be published.

"if the system was managed well enough, the effect of the cryo would be beneficial."

I think I overstepped, which makes me a hypocrite. Based on my knowledge, I should have left it at only "difference", or "managed system", not "well managed system". I was thinking of Albert's well managed system, but I, myself, am in no position to comment that cryo does anything, but create change in some circumstances.

"it sounded nothing like several other regular copper wires I'd tried in this position."

Getting warmer.

"What started this whole bit of nonsence was that I didn't add "IMO" to the end of my first post"

Doubt it. I have more respect for you w/out it. This point is stupid, but I would like to see more scientific approach used, in general, on agon posts. BTW - I don't feel tense or have anything but respect for Garfish.